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Upper management gets 20% raise, I get less than inflation with a target on my back!
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<blockquote data-quote="Yaba Daba Do" data-source="post: 3582435" data-attributes="member: 57161"><p>1. I don't think the company is taking anything out on us, I think they are doing what they have to to stay competitive. My whole argument is about staying competitive. If the company is forced to raise prices to pay us $5 or $10/hr more and fedex doesn't have to raise their prices who are people going to ship with more? If UPS loses business are they just going to say, "that's okay we still made X." I'd argue no because the board is answerable to shareholders. They will be replaced if profits fall too much or for a prolonged period of time. If you think they don't put enough routes in now I wouldn't want to even think about how many more they would cut if their jobs were on the line not to mention the layoffs that would inevitably occur. With around 250,000 teamsters give or take if you gave them all just a $1/hr raise that's and extra $250,000 the company would have to pay per hour worked. I think we should absolutely keep up with inflation but i think it is unrealistic to expect much more than that. If you think that we should get a little more than $4.15, which is more than we got last contract, that might be a legitimate argument but to say that the $4.15 which puts us over $40/hr is an insult i don't think is accurate. If it is true that they did away with split raises and we get the whole raise August 1 every year then that is an improvement as well.</p><p></p><p>2. As for North Korea, I don't see how human rights violations are in any way comparable to negotiating an hourly way. We are not in any way in competition with North Korea as to who has the better or worse human rights. The United States is not in danger of going out of business because we treat our people better than they treat theirs. For the record I am all for stronger 9.5 language. The reason we don't routinely see the lowest paid drivers getting the most hours is because there is language in the contract that prevents that. Work can not be taken from a senior driver and given to a junior driver to prevent the senior driver from getting OT.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaba Daba Do, post: 3582435, member: 57161"] 1. I don't think the company is taking anything out on us, I think they are doing what they have to to stay competitive. My whole argument is about staying competitive. If the company is forced to raise prices to pay us $5 or $10/hr more and fedex doesn't have to raise their prices who are people going to ship with more? If UPS loses business are they just going to say, "that's okay we still made X." I'd argue no because the board is answerable to shareholders. They will be replaced if profits fall too much or for a prolonged period of time. If you think they don't put enough routes in now I wouldn't want to even think about how many more they would cut if their jobs were on the line not to mention the layoffs that would inevitably occur. With around 250,000 teamsters give or take if you gave them all just a $1/hr raise that's and extra $250,000 the company would have to pay per hour worked. I think we should absolutely keep up with inflation but i think it is unrealistic to expect much more than that. If you think that we should get a little more than $4.15, which is more than we got last contract, that might be a legitimate argument but to say that the $4.15 which puts us over $40/hr is an insult i don't think is accurate. If it is true that they did away with split raises and we get the whole raise August 1 every year then that is an improvement as well. 2. As for North Korea, I don't see how human rights violations are in any way comparable to negotiating an hourly way. We are not in any way in competition with North Korea as to who has the better or worse human rights. The United States is not in danger of going out of business because we treat our people better than they treat theirs. For the record I am all for stronger 9.5 language. The reason we don't routinely see the lowest paid drivers getting the most hours is because there is language in the contract that prevents that. Work can not be taken from a senior driver and given to a junior driver to prevent the senior driver from getting OT. [/QUOTE]
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