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<blockquote data-quote="TimeForChange" data-source="post: 1137378" data-attributes="member: 45848"><p>Voice only. Like you said "all in favor, say aye..all opposed, say no." You see, a vote with actual paper ballots, would have an actual tally that would have to be announced. Then those numbers could be used against the Hoffa camp. Plus, with a voice vote, the Old Guard supporters got to yell "aye" as loud as they possibly could. (It WAS a valid vote, because Hoffa said it was.)</p><p></p><p>But I can tell you almost exactly what the vote would have been if there had been actual paper or electronic ballots. The vote would have been about 1,752 in favor of the dues increase, and about 134 against the dues increase.</p><p></p><p>I know that because the delegates to the April, 2002, one day special convention were the same delegates who had attended the June, 2001 regular, four and a half day Teamsters quinquennial convention. The federal government mandates actual ballots for voting for candidates up for nominations at regular conventions. But they do not control special conventions.</p><p></p><p>I remember that reform candidate for General President Tom L got exactly 134 votes from delegates at that 2001 convention. I think Hoffa got about 1,752.</p><p></p><p>Of course, all of the Hoffa delegates didn't dare vote against what Hoffa wanted at the special convention. Of course, all of the Leedham delegates knew that "A Nickel an Hour for Teamster Power" (the slogan used to spin the dues increase vote) was a bunch of BS. The dues increase was more so that Hoffa would have even more money to be used to pass out to keep Teamster employees owing something to Hoffa in return.</p><p></p><p>Also, the extra cash taken from members would allow Hoffa to claim that the Union was in far greater financial shape than when Ron Carey was GP. Well, yeah, since back when Ron Carey actually had the consideration to have all 1.4 milion Teamsters vote on a proposed dues increase, while at the time, the Old Guard were screaming AGAINST that dues increase (which failed). But on the matter of a potential dues increase, the OG flipped and flopped like a hooked salmon after Hoffa became GP.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TimeForChange, post: 1137378, member: 45848"] Voice only. Like you said "all in favor, say aye..all opposed, say no." You see, a vote with actual paper ballots, would have an actual tally that would have to be announced. Then those numbers could be used against the Hoffa camp. Plus, with a voice vote, the Old Guard supporters got to yell "aye" as loud as they possibly could. (It WAS a valid vote, because Hoffa said it was.) But I can tell you almost exactly what the vote would have been if there had been actual paper or electronic ballots. The vote would have been about 1,752 in favor of the dues increase, and about 134 against the dues increase. I know that because the delegates to the April, 2002, one day special convention were the same delegates who had attended the June, 2001 regular, four and a half day Teamsters quinquennial convention. The federal government mandates actual ballots for voting for candidates up for nominations at regular conventions. But they do not control special conventions. I remember that reform candidate for General President Tom L got exactly 134 votes from delegates at that 2001 convention. I think Hoffa got about 1,752. Of course, all of the Hoffa delegates didn't dare vote against what Hoffa wanted at the special convention. Of course, all of the Leedham delegates knew that "A Nickel an Hour for Teamster Power" (the slogan used to spin the dues increase vote) was a bunch of BS. The dues increase was more so that Hoffa would have even more money to be used to pass out to keep Teamster employees owing something to Hoffa in return. Also, the extra cash taken from members would allow Hoffa to claim that the Union was in far greater financial shape than when Ron Carey was GP. Well, yeah, since back when Ron Carey actually had the consideration to have all 1.4 milion Teamsters vote on a proposed dues increase, while at the time, the Old Guard were screaming AGAINST that dues increase (which failed). But on the matter of a potential dues increase, the OG flipped and flopped like a hooked salmon after Hoffa became GP. [/QUOTE]
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