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<blockquote data-quote="athena" data-source="post: 229050" data-attributes="member: 9953"><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I purposely used your words to make a point. You first stated "nature intended" so I was really just following your lead.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Except that is exactly what you are doing by stating we were "designed" to reproduce. You are, in fact, hypothesizing about what nature intended humans to and what nature intends for humans to continue to do. </span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I am not going to argue with you about whether being gay is a choice or not. I can see that enough people have already tired and you are clearly not going to agree. However, I do feel that it is extreme to compare homosexuality to suicide and murder. Do you hunt? I hope not, I would hate to be debating with a murder. Do you spank your children? I hope not, I would hate to be debating with an abuser. Do you ever eat too much? I hope not, I would hate to be debating with someone who is picking a slow and painful type of suicide. </span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">First, I had a good laugh about my paranoia of Christianity. I am a Christian and a heterosexual. I talk with my mother for hours about God and what he is REALLY like and what he REALLY would like from me. The thing is, there was a time in my life when I only saw God as a "fire and brimstone" kind of god. The thing is, I was miserable. I eventually figured out that God loves me no matter what and he wants me to love others no matter what. Sure, I think there will be a judgment at the end of it all. That is exactly why I try very hard not to sit around judging others and certainly not treating them any worse than I would want to be treated. I have a feeling you are never going to help anyone you feel is "sinning" change by treating them as second class citizens. Are you going to be the first to throw a stone? The reason I argue that people should quit using Christianity as a platform for their callous judgments is because I don't think it is doing anything to help others see the true God that loves them. Where is the love? God is love first and foremost. So I ask again, where is the love?</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I don't think it is ridiculous for a human to want to be treated as human. What society? I am part of the </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">U.S.</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"> society and I do not define "normal" relationship the way you do. It is the responsibility of society to change all kinds of definitions and opinions as society changes. Women now have jobs and make their own money. There was a time that this was not the definition of a good woman. I work and will be working for the next 20-30 years. Am I not a good woman? </span></span></p><p></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="athena, post: 229050, member: 9953"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]I purposely used your words to make a point. You first stated "nature intended" so I was really just following your lead.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]Except that is exactly what you are doing by stating we were "designed" to reproduce. You are, in fact, hypothesizing about what nature intended humans to and what nature intends for humans to continue to do. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]I am not going to argue with you about whether being gay is a choice or not. I can see that enough people have already tired and you are clearly not going to agree. However, I do feel that it is extreme to compare homosexuality to suicide and murder. Do you hunt? I hope not, I would hate to be debating with a murder. Do you spank your children? I hope not, I would hate to be debating with an abuser. Do you ever eat too much? I hope not, I would hate to be debating with someone who is picking a slow and painful type of suicide. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]First, I had a good laugh about my paranoia of Christianity. I am a Christian and a heterosexual. I talk with my mother for hours about God and what he is REALLY like and what he REALLY would like from me. The thing is, there was a time in my life when I only saw God as a "fire and brimstone" kind of god. The thing is, I was miserable. I eventually figured out that God loves me no matter what and he wants me to love others no matter what. Sure, I think there will be a judgment at the end of it all. That is exactly why I try very hard not to sit around judging others and certainly not treating them any worse than I would want to be treated. I have a feeling you are never going to help anyone you feel is "sinning" change by treating them as second class citizens. Are you going to be the first to throw a stone? The reason I argue that people should quit using Christianity as a platform for their callous judgments is because I don't think it is doing anything to help others see the true God that loves them. Where is the love? God is love first and foremost. So I ask again, where is the love?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]I don't think it is ridiculous for a human to want to be treated as human. What society? I am part of the [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]U.S.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] society and I do not define "normal" relationship the way you do. It is the responsibility of society to change all kinds of definitions and opinions as society changes. Women now have jobs and make their own money. There was a time that this was not the definition of a good woman. I work and will be working for the next 20-30 years. Am I not a good woman? [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/I] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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