US 🇺🇸 Tariff China 🇨🇳 are we in a weaker position?

[newfie]

along with the infringement issues we mentioned , and the tariff unfairness issues china employs many different tactics to minimize the cost of our tariffs on them and keep their products cheaper .

China uses several tactics to avoid U.S. tariffs:

1. Transshipment: Rerouting goods through countries like Vietnam or Mexico to label them as non-Chinese, evading higher tariffs.
2. De Minimis Exploitation: Shipping low-value parcels under $800 to bypass duties, though this exemption ends for China on May 2, 2025.
3. Undervaluing/Mislabeling: Declaring lower shipment values or falsifying origins to reduce tariffs, risking U.S. penalties.
4. Tariff Engineering: Modifying products to qualify for lower-tariff codes.
5. Substantial Transformation: Processing goods in third countries to change their origin status.
6. Foreign Trade Zones: Using U.S. zones to process goods and avoid duties.
7. Routing via Canada: Leveraging Canada’s trade agreements to ship goods tariff-free.

These "gray trade" tactics carry legal and ethical risks, with U.S. Customs intensifying enforcement.

 

[newfie]

while its difficult to completely quantify the cost impact these tactics china uses, it is substantially more than what we generally report through convententional means.

Summary of Most Recent Cost Information (Tariff Avoidance Impact on Trade Deficit, 2025)​

China’s tariff avoidance tactics inflate the U.S.-China trade deficit by underreporting or misrepresenting Chinese imports. The official trade deficit is estimated at ~$375 billion for 2025, but the following tactics add significant costs:

• Transshipment (e.g., via Vietnam, Mexico): Adds ~$75–$100 billion in unreported Chinese imports by rerouting goods through third countries to evade tariffs.
• De Minimis Exploitation: Contributes ~$50 billion by leveraging tariff-free shipments under $800 (until May 2, 2025, when exemptions end for China).
• Undervaluing Shipments: Increases import value by ~$5–$10 billion through under-reported shipment values.
• Tariff Engineering: Adds ~$5–$10 billion by reclassifying goods for lower tariffs.
• Substantial Transformation: Contributes ~$10–$20 billion via processing in third countries to change origin status.
• Foreign Trade Zones: Adds ~$5–$10 billion by processing goods in U.S. zones to avoid duties.
• Routing via Canada: Increases imports by ~$15–$20 billion through USMCA loopholes.

Total Cost Impact​

• Additional Imports: ~$150–$200 billion, with a midpoint of ~$180 billion.
• Adjusted Trade Deficit: The true U.S.-China trade deficit, accounting for these tactics, is estimated at $525–$575 billion (official $375 billion + $150–$200 billion), with a midpoint of $555 billion.

 

[newfie]

1. It is pirated but they can do their own.
2. Also advantage in rare earth metals
3. 2nd largest holder of US treasuries.

numbers can show different things depending on how you present them.

china is the second largest foriegn holder of treasuries.

but 2.2 percent of all US treasuries.

 

[Wally]

What's the Dems position on fair trade, other countries blocking our goods, blocking America jobs, private capital investing in America? Are they siding with the country club Republicans?

 

[Over70irregs]

numbers can show different things depending on how you present them.

china is the second largest foriegn holder of treasuries.

but 2.2 percent of all US treasuries.

Anyone other than us is foreign…
-They are not calling.
-but we are talking

 

[newfie]

Anyone other than us is foreign…

you represent china as the second largest holder of treasuries and did not specify foriegn. that sounds impressive until you look at the total percentage when it much less significant.
in actuallity they're hold close to 10 percent of all foriegn holdings , japan leads at close to 15 percent
and 2.2 percent of all US treasuries which is much less significant.

-They are not calling.
-but we are talking

its clear they are calling. I've shown you how they cheat through counterfitting , I've shown you how they cheat through tariff avoidance. I've previously shown you how they cheat through currency manipulation.
Chinas economic success relys on their exports. their workforce alignment is heavily dependent on exports.

your argument that you believe china makes no sense when I've shown you the many ways they lie and decieve us from all fronts.

 

[newfie]

China has certain strengths in semiconductors, manufacturing hubs, earth minerals. We have military, cloud, swift and dollar dominance.

1. It is pirated but they can do their own.
2. Also advantage in rare earth metals
3. 2nd largest holder of US treasuries.

Yes china can hurt us but in these posts i think you're overstating their importance.
in reality what you posted here is exactly why trump should do what he's doing to minimize our dependence on the chinese.

 

[Over70irregs]

Yes china can hurt us but in these posts i think you're overstating their importance.
in reality what you posted here is exactly why trump should do what he's doing to minimize our dependence on the chinese.

He knows multi polar is here. Trying to get the best for himself then everyone else.

 

[newfie]

He knows multi polar is here.

generally there are two poles thus the term bi-polar. is there another pole somewhere I'm not aware of?

Trying to get the best for himself then everyone else.

the guy has billions, he owns properties all over the world . His money is in real estate and real estate related ventures
he has no little to no manufacturing interests . how does his work to create manufacturing jobs here and to sell more US manufactured products all over the world help his personal interests?

now since you threw up this steaming pile of dog crap for a response. See if you can actually stay focused and provide a detailed answer this time.

 

[Over70irregs]

1. Polar- US, Them, BRICS
2. It doesn’t bring manufacturing jobs any time soon. It’s a supposed trickle down of old men fooling the masses.
3. Our main push will be infrastructure improvement jobs.

 

[Box Ox]

Umm no. I want cheap crap that I can mark up and profit off of…

Listen, buddy. 1950s America is coming back thanks to Trump. Soon, a guy making previously inexpensive items at a factory we brought back from Bangladesh is gonna be earning enough to afford a solid middle class lifestyle.

I’m for what you posted but I’m gonna lean toward that not happening in scale.

Indeed. I should’ve added a /s .

 

[newfie]

1. Polar- US, Them, Everywhere else

polar is a generally a line between two points . if you wish to include more points i would think you would have to apply the points into two groupings between the two points or its no longer polar. i could be wrong.
now you've got me looking up the definition of polar to make sure i still have the correct understanding. I even tried to find another application of the term with multiple points.
you and Ricky are giving me headache arguing this made up crap. you're like brothers from another mother . arguing nonsense in different universes but generating the same basic outcome.

 

[vantexan]

Listen, buddy. 1950s America is coming back thanks to Trump. Soon, a guy making previously inexpensive items at a factory we brought back from Bangladesh is gonna be earning enough to afford a solid middle class lifestyle.

It should be Americans supplying wet t-shirt contests dammit!

 

[newfie]

Umm no. I want cheap crap that I can mark up and profit off of…

this was actually your best understandable argument so far. the other class warfare hate the rich crap was a little to rickyownian.

 

[Over70irregs]

this was actually your best understandable argument so far. the other class warfare hate the rich crap was a little to rickyownian.

Class warfare is a given. As far as hating the rich that is us all being disingenuous

 

[Over70irregs]

polar is a generally a line between two points . if you wish to include more points i would think you would have to apply the points into two groupings between the two points or its no longer polar. i could be wrong.
now you've got me looking up the definition of polar to make sure i still have the correct understanding. I even tried to find another application of the term with multiple points.
you and Ricky are giving me headache arguing this made up crap. you're like brothers from another mother . arguing nonsense in different universes but generating the same basic outcome.

I previously stated multi polar. US has its spot. BRICS and other countries that don’t trust. Last Polar point is Bitcoin. Which will fold everything into a single Point. But being human will still want control through stable coins which are like fleas on the skin. (Harsh visual)

 

[newfie]

I previously stated multi polar. US has its spot. BRICS and other countries that don’t trust. Last Polar point is Bitcoin. Which will fold everything into a single Point. But being human will still want control through stable coins which are like fleas on the skin. (Harsh visual)

dude i think you're actually more in love with the rhetoric than the actual details of what is taking place.