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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 3798908" data-attributes="member: 63706">Ralph&#039;s probably just upset that we aren&#039;t as willing to fight for his vision of a perfect world as he thinks we should be. I don&#039;t really have a problem with being less civilized, civility is concerning yourself with how others perceive you, but other people are idiots, in general, so why should we care what they think. Other first world countries may have their own way of doing things, and those ways may work for them, but they have their own sets of problems they must also deal with. And the consumerism thing is true, it&#039;s the ultimate distraction, just like Rome used the gladiator fights to distract the populace. The more people who wake up to the fact that they are being manipulated, the less the manipulation will work. But, regardless of the problems with our society, it has afforded the highest number of people the oppurtinity to prosper than any others in history.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 3798908, member: 63706"] Ralph's probably just upset that we aren't as willing to fight for his vision of a perfect world as he thinks we should be. I don't really have a problem with being less civilized, civility is concerning yourself with how others perceive you, but other people are idiots, in general, so why should we care what they think. Other first world countries may have their own way of doing things, and those ways may work for them, but they have their own sets of problems they must also deal with. And the consumerism thing is true, it's the ultimate distraction, just like Rome used the gladiator fights to distract the populace. The more people who wake up to the fact that they are being manipulated, the less the manipulation will work. But, regardless of the problems with our society, it has afforded the highest number of people the oppurtinity to prosper than any others in history. [/QUOTE]

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