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<blockquote data-quote="Nameless" data-source="post: 124726"><p>Individuals like yourself tend to confuse correlation and causality. This points you in the wrong direction. Pretty soon you're destroying your own freedoms and prosperity in a frantic search to root out the evil. It is not "Hitler" type management that results from labor/management relationships. On the contrary, in a free economy labor buyers(management) and labor suppliers(workers) typically enjoy the same equality of respect and esteem that any other consumer/seller relationship does. All humans have the same nature and that excludes each of us from perfection. The remedy to this has been found in the free market of goods and ideas - all exchange takes place because each party perceives a benefit. To understand this you must view labor as a commodity, no different than goods like oranges or petroleum. Labor is traded just the same. When a labor provider(worker) seeks out employment he/she is attempting to trade services for a medium of exchange(money) because that individual values the wage received higher than the value of service performed. On the flip side, a labor buyer values the services higher than the wages paid out. The differential in valuation is pure profit. </p><p></p><p>When you have laws barring entry to any market you discover inter-relationships are disturbed all thoughout the economy. My point is that a union, which is nothing more than a monopolizer of labor restricting entry into a specific field, causes distortion by shutting the door to free entry. This, not surprisingly, makes labor more costly than it would otherwise be. It's no wonder that a firm seeking services from a monopoly of labor will find confrontation rather than mutual respect. What do you expect the private firm to reciprocate with other than the same hard nosed stature.</p><p></p><p>As far as the two income family and the destruction of traditional america goes, I think you will find the root of that evil within the federal reserves ability to grow money and credit. But that's a whole other lecture.</p><p></p><p>I am not anti-union, per se. I am just against a government grant of monopoly, whether that be to labor seller or buyer.</p><p></p><p>I do agree with you that complaining about UPS is absurd, in a sense. Employees of UPS should zip it and enjoy the fact that they are benefiting with higher that market wages from a union restricting entry into a field of labor that requires no formal education and matter of hours in training. The only thing UPS asks of its employees is a sturdy work ethic. Too bad that is even too much to ask these days.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nameless, post: 124726"] Individuals like yourself tend to confuse correlation and causality. This points you in the wrong direction. Pretty soon you're destroying your own freedoms and prosperity in a frantic search to root out the evil. It is not "Hitler" type management that results from labor/management relationships. On the contrary, in a free economy labor buyers(management) and labor suppliers(workers) typically enjoy the same equality of respect and esteem that any other consumer/seller relationship does. All humans have the same nature and that excludes each of us from perfection. The remedy to this has been found in the free market of goods and ideas - all exchange takes place because each party perceives a benefit. To understand this you must view labor as a commodity, no different than goods like oranges or petroleum. Labor is traded just the same. When a labor provider(worker) seeks out employment he/she is attempting to trade services for a medium of exchange(money) because that individual values the wage received higher than the value of service performed. On the flip side, a labor buyer values the services higher than the wages paid out. The differential in valuation is pure profit. When you have laws barring entry to any market you discover inter-relationships are disturbed all thoughout the economy. My point is that a union, which is nothing more than a monopolizer of labor restricting entry into a specific field, causes distortion by shutting the door to free entry. This, not surprisingly, makes labor more costly than it would otherwise be. It's no wonder that a firm seeking services from a monopoly of labor will find confrontation rather than mutual respect. What do you expect the private firm to reciprocate with other than the same hard nosed stature. As far as the two income family and the destruction of traditional america goes, I think you will find the root of that evil within the federal reserves ability to grow money and credit. But that's a whole other lecture. I am not anti-union, per se. I am just against a government grant of monopoly, whether that be to labor seller or buyer. I do agree with you that complaining about UPS is absurd, in a sense. Employees of UPS should zip it and enjoy the fact that they are benefiting with higher that market wages from a union restricting entry into a field of labor that requires no formal education and matter of hours in training. The only thing UPS asks of its employees is a sturdy work ethic. Too bad that is even too much to ask these days. [/QUOTE]
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