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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 259613" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>You are correct Diesel, Ron is not what you would call a friend of the union. At the same time he's not a friend of the big corporate monster who uses gov't for self interest and self gain either so the way I see it, at the end of the day under a Ron Paul world, neither side would benefit for his position as President. Ron would likely cut much of gov't but the bare bone as we know it today but if you want a truly non-partisan Washington DC, then elect Ron. You'll have the Democrat fascists and Republican fascists together in lock step so fast, it'll scare even Osama bin Laden! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Lol :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p> </p><p>Come to think of it, no special interest should have an upper hand controlling gov't and legislation. Let whatever side rise or fall on their own merits and what they bring to the common good rather than passing legislation that create false markets and false conditions so that one or the other or both prosper and profit. </p><p> </p><p>Ever considered the fact that gov't hands out certain "unconstitutional" perks to collective big business only to then turn around and do similar legislation with collective big labor. Is Congress playing the dialectic of Hegelianism with the American voter is which they play one side agianst the other and visa-versa but at the end of the day Washington has gained all the power and leverage and thus insured it's own continous electiblity while maintaining it's own hands embedded deep within our own wallets to satisfy their own delusions of what a society should be? And then they muddy and manipulate the facts or make them the lack there of to convince you and I to agree with them in the hopes they can play on our own self-preserving self interests and yes even our own greed on the part of both sides in our to ensure their own power and position. Many if not most of the problems we face today are a result of earlier legislation they passed in order to create false conditions or markets only to later have those "unintended consequences" spill forth and then we run to them again and only continue the cycle.</p><p> </p><p>Why did we abrogate the power to gather with friends, family and neighbors to solve problems within our own communities and instead hand them off to a centralized power of the federal plantation and to be governed by the plantation overseers that we call the corporate or union estate if you will?</p><p> </p><p>Ever considered just for a moment that we've in reality been played to choose up sides and in truth, no matter which side you choose, the ultimate decider of what our world will be controls it all and the cycle of pain, misery and dispare will continue?</p><p> </p><p>I think more than which party or which cult of personality we will support and vote for, we need to do some real soul searching as to just what and how far we want and are willing to let our gov't go. It just appears to me that the more power we give them, the worse our lives continue to get so why would we grant them even more and more across a wide spectrum of issues? We can either be lazy slaves (IMO we are that already) and shut up when they pull out the whip and beat us with it or we can stand up and start doing things for ourselves and take some of this unbriddled power back to the people where it belongs.</p><p> </p><p>JMHO</p><p> </p><p>BTW: Did you see Bill Moyer's Journal today? Excellent program and I'd suggest you go online and watch the program and it addresses some of the issues of unchecked power. I also noticed Bush is making overtones of increasing the SCHIPs funding by an amount of $5bil. Would one suggest at the very least that that republicans are just socialist on the cheap (Walmart version)whereas the democrats are the big spender types (Rodeo Drive version) but in the end you still have socialist utopianism.</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/wink.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink:" title="Wink :wink:" data-shortname=":wink:" /></p><p> </p><p>c ya!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 259613, member: 2189"] You are correct Diesel, Ron is not what you would call a friend of the union. At the same time he's not a friend of the big corporate monster who uses gov't for self interest and self gain either so the way I see it, at the end of the day under a Ron Paul world, neither side would benefit for his position as President. Ron would likely cut much of gov't but the bare bone as we know it today but if you want a truly non-partisan Washington DC, then elect Ron. You'll have the Democrat fascists and Republican fascists together in lock step so fast, it'll scare even Osama bin Laden! :lol: Come to think of it, no special interest should have an upper hand controlling gov't and legislation. Let whatever side rise or fall on their own merits and what they bring to the common good rather than passing legislation that create false markets and false conditions so that one or the other or both prosper and profit. Ever considered the fact that gov't hands out certain "unconstitutional" perks to collective big business only to then turn around and do similar legislation with collective big labor. Is Congress playing the dialectic of Hegelianism with the American voter is which they play one side agianst the other and visa-versa but at the end of the day Washington has gained all the power and leverage and thus insured it's own continous electiblity while maintaining it's own hands embedded deep within our own wallets to satisfy their own delusions of what a society should be? And then they muddy and manipulate the facts or make them the lack there of to convince you and I to agree with them in the hopes they can play on our own self-preserving self interests and yes even our own greed on the part of both sides in our to ensure their own power and position. Many if not most of the problems we face today are a result of earlier legislation they passed in order to create false conditions or markets only to later have those "unintended consequences" spill forth and then we run to them again and only continue the cycle. Why did we abrogate the power to gather with friends, family and neighbors to solve problems within our own communities and instead hand them off to a centralized power of the federal plantation and to be governed by the plantation overseers that we call the corporate or union estate if you will? Ever considered just for a moment that we've in reality been played to choose up sides and in truth, no matter which side you choose, the ultimate decider of what our world will be controls it all and the cycle of pain, misery and dispare will continue? I think more than which party or which cult of personality we will support and vote for, we need to do some real soul searching as to just what and how far we want and are willing to let our gov't go. It just appears to me that the more power we give them, the worse our lives continue to get so why would we grant them even more and more across a wide spectrum of issues? We can either be lazy slaves (IMO we are that already) and shut up when they pull out the whip and beat us with it or we can stand up and start doing things for ourselves and take some of this unbriddled power back to the people where it belongs. JMHO BTW: Did you see Bill Moyer's Journal today? Excellent program and I'd suggest you go online and watch the program and it addresses some of the issues of unchecked power. I also noticed Bush is making overtones of increasing the SCHIPs funding by an amount of $5bil. Would one suggest at the very least that that republicans are just socialist on the cheap (Walmart version)whereas the democrats are the big spender types (Rodeo Drive version) but in the end you still have socialist utopianism. :wink: c ya! [/QUOTE]
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