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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 674146" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>That may or may not be true depending on what you defined as "being there." Were we there like we are now? Your observation would be correct but "were we not there" as in meaning the US Gov't or US concerns had no bearing or presence in country? A quick look then to make one rethink the "we were not there" idea.</p><p> </p><p>In 2004' the Federation of American Scientist published <a href="http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:JiiBJXbkurkJ:govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/staff_statement_7.pdf+President+Clinton+authorized+covert+action+in+afghanistan&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi1uHviQH3bKznRZfrPhaFkLgJGCBodvQ8KqmZwiAMBiZ78sprcfsM_2vEuV3RSjS5WOzzILPDj0CNRTBMpxO4TYnUJcvndaPeiyCXWMNLOjS-w3NNUzVV_OeG6IX0Lcgkzb3O2&sig=AHIEtbS3OKlFZnKWmELhUX6C8LOkOr1_vQ" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Intelligence Policy Staff Statement #7</span></a> and if you will scroll down to the bottom of page 3, read the section entitled "Using Covert Action in Afghanistan" and notice the date. Now again, it does depend on what one thinks "we were not there" means and considering the situation at the time, maybe these actions were justified. I'll leave that debate for now to another day. </p><p> </p><p>Also American business was engaged in Afghanistan and in this case it was the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">American Energy industry</span> </a>who let's just face facts, these folks go nowhere around the globe without the US Gov't and the US Military. That aside, the US Energy industry was fully engaged in Afghanistan before 9/11 but again, it depends on how you define "we were not there" if these events mean anything. Oh, and if you think the CIA acts as some impartial party when it comes to foreign business ventures, take a moment to consider <a href="http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ENRON_MONEY_TO_TALIBAN.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">this</span></a> and notice the red highlighted part. </p><p> </p><p>As for Iraq, considering our job in the 1990's of implementing the "no fly zone" mostly to protect the Saudi Royals but then one must also consider that in 1998' the US Gov't with the signing on of both the Congress and Clinton authorized for regime change in Iraq. Now is that nothing more than a nice public statement like some city picks a day and makes it Sports Superstar Day in the name of the great sport's star that lives or grew up there? Or does it mean more?</p><p> </p><p>Consider this from the <a href="http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/14391.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Congressional Research Service</span></a>. I guess again it depends on how you define "we were not there" but in both cases and this just brushes the surface, we in fact were there but it may be that our gov't wasn't acting or conducting itself like we think or maybe even like it should have and who's to say in all of this, a situation didn't go to bad and then to worse! </p><p> </p><p>And now we find ourselves where we are!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 674146, member: 2189"] That may or may not be true depending on what you defined as "being there." Were we there like we are now? Your observation would be correct but "were we not there" as in meaning the US Gov't or US concerns had no bearing or presence in country? A quick look then to make one rethink the "we were not there" idea. In 2004' the Federation of American Scientist published [URL="http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:JiiBJXbkurkJ:govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/staff_statement_7.pdf+President+Clinton+authorized+covert+action+in+afghanistan&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi1uHviQH3bKznRZfrPhaFkLgJGCBodvQ8KqmZwiAMBiZ78sprcfsM_2vEuV3RSjS5WOzzILPDj0CNRTBMpxO4TYnUJcvndaPeiyCXWMNLOjS-w3NNUzVV_OeG6IX0Lcgkzb3O2&sig=AHIEtbS3OKlFZnKWmELhUX6C8LOkOr1_vQ"][COLOR=red]Intelligence Policy Staff Statement #7[/COLOR][/URL] and if you will scroll down to the bottom of page 3, read the section entitled "Using Covert Action in Afghanistan" and notice the date. Now again, it does depend on what one thinks "we were not there" means and considering the situation at the time, maybe these actions were justified. I'll leave that debate for now to another day. Also American business was engaged in Afghanistan and in this case it was the [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm"][COLOR=red]American Energy industry[/COLOR] [/URL]who let's just face facts, these folks go nowhere around the globe without the US Gov't and the US Military. That aside, the US Energy industry was fully engaged in Afghanistan before 9/11 but again, it depends on how you define "we were not there" if these events mean anything. Oh, and if you think the CIA acts as some impartial party when it comes to foreign business ventures, take a moment to consider [URL="http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ENRON_MONEY_TO_TALIBAN.jpg"][COLOR=red]this[/COLOR][/URL] and notice the red highlighted part. As for Iraq, considering our job in the 1990's of implementing the "no fly zone" mostly to protect the Saudi Royals but then one must also consider that in 1998' the US Gov't with the signing on of both the Congress and Clinton authorized for regime change in Iraq. Now is that nothing more than a nice public statement like some city picks a day and makes it Sports Superstar Day in the name of the great sport's star that lives or grew up there? Or does it mean more? Consider this from the [URL="http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/14391.pdf"][COLOR=red]Congressional Research Service[/COLOR][/URL]. I guess again it depends on how you define "we were not there" but in both cases and this just brushes the surface, we in fact were there but it may be that our gov't wasn't acting or conducting itself like we think or maybe even like it should have and who's to say in all of this, a situation didn't go to bad and then to worse! And now we find ourselves where we are! [/QUOTE]
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