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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 674765" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>That's fine but in post #57 you expressed "your" opinion with:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And thus taking into consideration of your opinion and the opinion expressed by Ron Smith via bin Laden if you will, I framed my response in Post #62 with</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The "you" part taking into consideration of what your thinking was in relation to the opinion you expressed in #57. If you were saying as I pointed out that "we were not there" on scale or even close to what we are now, you are correct. However, I offered to some degree another perspective that maybe frames some of bin Laden's POV as expressed by Ron Smith but doesn't fit the mold that "we" may always think in.</p><p></p><p>The late Micheal Kreca wrote a piece ironically enough was reposted on LRC yesterday and fits a bit right into this discussion but also fits a framework of "war" that bin Laden may be speaking of. IMO a good bit of the meat and potates he (Micheal) discusses in the first part of the piece is rather known these days as it pertains to the Middle East region in relation to US/USSR/CIA etc. actions and various players in gov't. Once it goes into the JFK thing however, it becomes subjective IMO and just gets to cloudy to prove all that much but I will say this, it does fit a pattern previously laid so who knows. If you care to read it all then fine but my point goes until he starts in the JFK aspect.</p><p></p><p>Bin Laden and others crossed the line, no arguement and they will have to pay a price for it. No arguement again IMO. But like Helen Thomas and others have asked, what is their motivation? Sorry but the "they hate our freedom" ain't working anymore because an honest look at our gov't can't conclude we live in true freedom anyway and I know we both agree on that point and I'd bet money bin Laden understands this too.</p><p></p><p>On a comedic note, if bin Laden is fighting to keep out the kind of gov't we have these days........<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /> OK, considering all that's happened maybe rather tastiless and crass but obviously bin Laden doesn't think (at least IMO) on the same ideal of freedom and liberty as we do so there you go. The fact is, the humor sez more about our gov't than bin Laden so again, there you go!</p><p></p><p>Any criminal action you look for motive in order to prove guilt and it can be a powerful ally to a prosecutor whose looking for a guilty verdict from a jury. In this case the American people are the jury and we offer verdicts come election season but when it comes to this, it doth appear the prosecutor is hiding something and even though Helen Thomas is there just so gov't can appear to be the good Boy Scout and play nice to the little old lady, she at least for once in her career stepped up and asked the question that sadly I don't remember her ever asking during the Bush years. Opps! So much for the purely liberal/democrat media construct!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p></p><p>AV, let's consider this for a moment. Let's say in an alternate world you and I lived in an America where a foreign power was often meddling, not only to harvest economic benefit but we found ourselves the pawn in the middle of 2 powerful foreign forces. In the course of their spy verses spy games, we realized that we were the pawns left to die and left to be economically savaged by these 2 powers but we had neither the means or resources to fight either of these forces on equal footing. If we continued course, all we would get is further economic and political savaging by one side or the other and any future of self determination whatever that may be is long lost. If you and I found ourselves in that situation and we both feel and think as we do today, would we just submit or would we choose another option? It's a question for thought to make a point not one I want you to answer but I think you and I both know what we would do and thus the answer is not needed. I don't ask that quesion to justify past events or even future events but rather to consider what our founding fathers did when faced with similar circumstances and facing similar global superpowers of their day. Let's see, ally with the british to remove the french and then turn eventually on the british too? Ironically with french help. Whose helping the Iranians these days? Whose helping Chavez these days?</p><p></p><p>Boys will be boys?</p><p></p><p>Hmmmm!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p><p></p><p>Island,</p><p></p><p>Just for the sport of watching you bounce off walls and the fact is you really want someone to say it,</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">It's America's Fault! All of it!!!!!!!!!!!!</span></p><p></p><p>OK, I've got my coffee, feet propped up so start the floor show!</p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 674765, member: 2189"] That's fine but in post #57 you expressed "your" opinion with: And thus taking into consideration of your opinion and the opinion expressed by Ron Smith via bin Laden if you will, I framed my response in Post #62 with The "you" part taking into consideration of what your thinking was in relation to the opinion you expressed in #57. If you were saying as I pointed out that "we were not there" on scale or even close to what we are now, you are correct. However, I offered to some degree another perspective that maybe frames some of bin Laden's POV as expressed by Ron Smith but doesn't fit the mold that "we" may always think in. The late Micheal Kreca wrote a piece ironically enough was reposted on LRC yesterday and fits a bit right into this discussion but also fits a framework of "war" that bin Laden may be speaking of. IMO a good bit of the meat and potates he (Micheal) discusses in the first part of the piece is rather known these days as it pertains to the Middle East region in relation to US/USSR/CIA etc. actions and various players in gov't. Once it goes into the JFK thing however, it becomes subjective IMO and just gets to cloudy to prove all that much but I will say this, it does fit a pattern previously laid so who knows. If you care to read it all then fine but my point goes until he starts in the JFK aspect. Bin Laden and others crossed the line, no arguement and they will have to pay a price for it. No arguement again IMO. But like Helen Thomas and others have asked, what is their motivation? Sorry but the "they hate our freedom" ain't working anymore because an honest look at our gov't can't conclude we live in true freedom anyway and I know we both agree on that point and I'd bet money bin Laden understands this too. On a comedic note, if bin Laden is fighting to keep out the kind of gov't we have these days........:happy-very: OK, considering all that's happened maybe rather tastiless and crass but obviously bin Laden doesn't think (at least IMO) on the same ideal of freedom and liberty as we do so there you go. The fact is, the humor sez more about our gov't than bin Laden so again, there you go! Any criminal action you look for motive in order to prove guilt and it can be a powerful ally to a prosecutor whose looking for a guilty verdict from a jury. In this case the American people are the jury and we offer verdicts come election season but when it comes to this, it doth appear the prosecutor is hiding something and even though Helen Thomas is there just so gov't can appear to be the good Boy Scout and play nice to the little old lady, she at least for once in her career stepped up and asked the question that sadly I don't remember her ever asking during the Bush years. Opps! So much for the purely liberal/democrat media construct! :wink2: AV, let's consider this for a moment. Let's say in an alternate world you and I lived in an America where a foreign power was often meddling, not only to harvest economic benefit but we found ourselves the pawn in the middle of 2 powerful foreign forces. In the course of their spy verses spy games, we realized that we were the pawns left to die and left to be economically savaged by these 2 powers but we had neither the means or resources to fight either of these forces on equal footing. If we continued course, all we would get is further economic and political savaging by one side or the other and any future of self determination whatever that may be is long lost. If you and I found ourselves in that situation and we both feel and think as we do today, would we just submit or would we choose another option? It's a question for thought to make a point not one I want you to answer but I think you and I both know what we would do and thus the answer is not needed. I don't ask that quesion to justify past events or even future events but rather to consider what our founding fathers did when faced with similar circumstances and facing similar global superpowers of their day. Let's see, ally with the british to remove the french and then turn eventually on the british too? Ironically with french help. Whose helping the Iranians these days? Whose helping Chavez these days? Boys will be boys? Hmmmm! :peaceful: Island, Just for the sport of watching you bounce off walls and the fact is you really want someone to say it, [SIZE=5]It's America's Fault! All of it!!!!!!!!!!!![/SIZE] OK, I've got my coffee, feet propped up so start the floor show! :happy-very: [/QUOTE]
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