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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 220006" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Tie</p><p> </p><p>On the surface that might seem like something that could really make a huge difference until you really consider it more in depth. First off, let's look at some specifics. Not all aliens don't pay taxes and in fact most do. One of the biggest beefs about illegals is their working for big companies like Walmart and yes I'll even bet UPS. Now how could they work at UPS and not pay taxes or even Walmart for that fact? How they do this is through bogus SS #'s and that SS and medicare money withheld at least at this point appears uncollectable. One of the reasons Congress has been so slow to attack this practice is that to some in Washington this is free money into a troubled system and it could help alleve the difference. SS and medicare are in some ways like our current Central States problem with growing numbers of people collecting and smaller numbers of people paying in because the core US population when you remove immigration of all types from the mix is actually strinking making the problem even greater. Remove all immigration, send everyone home at once who are not citizens and in short order the economic chaos on many fronts would be on us like stink on S~~t!</p><p> </p><p>But for the sake of argument let's take your idea and run with it and see what we come up with because maybe you really are on to something here. Just for the sake of arguement let's say all 12 mil illegals made 100k per year each. I know that's no where near the truth but bare with me a moment. And of this 100k per year let's say in total they paid out in all taxes a total of 40% meaning 40k per year. This would give an annual $480 bil influx of tax revs to the gov't but let's pretend for a minute that everyone agrees to forward these funds in total to the federal gov't. Now the Congress has $480 billion in hand annually so what do you think they would do first? Yeah I'm thinking the same thing but let's pretend again and they move all this money to the national debt. </p><p> </p><p>Currently the national debt is at $8.8 trillion and change and growing by $1.29 bil a day. Using our fresh influx of $480 bil, at the current growth rate of the debt, our $480 bil would last for a total of 372 days. OK, now we're 7 days annually to the good but hold on Houston, we have a problem. First off, we all agree that all 12 million illegals don't make 100k annually nor do they pay in 40k annually to the feds in taxes even if we were able to collect all taxes owed. Also the other problem is our current gov't is running budget deficits of as high as $400 bil annually to now around $200 bil annually.</p><p> </p><p>The bottomline Tie is sure you can collect taxes from these illegals but the key need here is for Congress and the adminstration to stop spending our money like drunken sailors. One of the reasons the repubs have lost so much ground is because they violated the principle of fiscal responsibility and have in fact made the democrats look like the fiscal conservative ones. Now I don't for a minute believe the democrats have kicked their drug habit and once they solidify power again, they will do the exact same thing the republicans did when they were given the Holy Grail of power. </p><p> </p><p>Illegals do create a number of different problems on multiple fronts but there are areas IMO they are being made scapgoats where in fact they should not be. I think this idea that all illegals don't pay taxes is just one such area.</p><p> </p><p>And BTW: Here's one to watch in the future and it will happen and I believe the Equal protection clause of the 14th amendment will be the mechanism. At some point in the future, some illegal or a group of illegals will file suit in court demanding a SS check and/or medicare coverage because they paid in. Now granted it was done under illegal means but they did pay the tax. When it happens, just remember where you heard it from and raise you beer and give me a toast!</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Lol :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 220006, member: 2189"] Tie On the surface that might seem like something that could really make a huge difference until you really consider it more in depth. First off, let's look at some specifics. Not all aliens don't pay taxes and in fact most do. One of the biggest beefs about illegals is their working for big companies like Walmart and yes I'll even bet UPS. Now how could they work at UPS and not pay taxes or even Walmart for that fact? How they do this is through bogus SS #'s and that SS and medicare money withheld at least at this point appears uncollectable. One of the reasons Congress has been so slow to attack this practice is that to some in Washington this is free money into a troubled system and it could help alleve the difference. SS and medicare are in some ways like our current Central States problem with growing numbers of people collecting and smaller numbers of people paying in because the core US population when you remove immigration of all types from the mix is actually strinking making the problem even greater. Remove all immigration, send everyone home at once who are not citizens and in short order the economic chaos on many fronts would be on us like stink on S~~t! But for the sake of argument let's take your idea and run with it and see what we come up with because maybe you really are on to something here. Just for the sake of arguement let's say all 12 mil illegals made 100k per year each. I know that's no where near the truth but bare with me a moment. And of this 100k per year let's say in total they paid out in all taxes a total of 40% meaning 40k per year. This would give an annual $480 bil influx of tax revs to the gov't but let's pretend for a minute that everyone agrees to forward these funds in total to the federal gov't. Now the Congress has $480 billion in hand annually so what do you think they would do first? Yeah I'm thinking the same thing but let's pretend again and they move all this money to the national debt. Currently the national debt is at $8.8 trillion and change and growing by $1.29 bil a day. Using our fresh influx of $480 bil, at the current growth rate of the debt, our $480 bil would last for a total of 372 days. OK, now we're 7 days annually to the good but hold on Houston, we have a problem. First off, we all agree that all 12 million illegals don't make 100k annually nor do they pay in 40k annually to the feds in taxes even if we were able to collect all taxes owed. Also the other problem is our current gov't is running budget deficits of as high as $400 bil annually to now around $200 bil annually. The bottomline Tie is sure you can collect taxes from these illegals but the key need here is for Congress and the adminstration to stop spending our money like drunken sailors. One of the reasons the repubs have lost so much ground is because they violated the principle of fiscal responsibility and have in fact made the democrats look like the fiscal conservative ones. Now I don't for a minute believe the democrats have kicked their drug habit and once they solidify power again, they will do the exact same thing the republicans did when they were given the Holy Grail of power. Illegals do create a number of different problems on multiple fronts but there are areas IMO they are being made scapgoats where in fact they should not be. I think this idea that all illegals don't pay taxes is just one such area. And BTW: Here's one to watch in the future and it will happen and I believe the Equal protection clause of the 14th amendment will be the mechanism. At some point in the future, some illegal or a group of illegals will file suit in court demanding a SS check and/or medicare coverage because they paid in. Now granted it was done under illegal means but they did pay the tax. When it happens, just remember where you heard it from and raise you beer and give me a toast! :lol: [/QUOTE]
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