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<blockquote data-quote="Themostartfulofdodgers" data-source="post: 994183" data-attributes="member: 42375"><p>This was an incredibly sad thread for me to read. This is also the dumbest post a union man could possibly write. </p><p></p><p>It really shows that income disparity in this country isn't just about the 1% and the 99%. It's also about a divide between the young and the old. What UPSguy, Bug, and others show, is that there really is very little solidarity between Americans of different economic and age groups, even within the union itself. </p><p></p><p>Just because there are other worse jobs out there doesn't mean the current compensation structure between pts and fts is just. You're essentially saying, you're lucky you get what you get. Be grateful and be silent. You sound more like a CEO wiping the crumbs from his table than a union brother. And if that's not what you're saying, why do you even bring up the green grass of other pt jobs? </p><p></p><p>Oh yeah? I bet I could walk to my local seven eleven and find a hardworking, diligent latin american or eastern european fellow to take your cushy driving position for 8 bucks an hour to start. I could probably train him to be as fast as you, follow Federal regulations and all the rest. </p><p></p><p>Oh, but wait, we have a UNION THAT PROTECTS YOU FROM THAT! That's the point of having a union, so that the value of labor isn't subject to the laws of supply and demand that other markets are. We aren't simply commodities, we're human beings with families that we love and want to provide for! Jesus! </p><p></p><p>Basically you're saying that drivers and full-time workers deserve to be protected from economics/market forces more than part-timers. There are more of us and we're less skilled, so we are more expendable. </p><p></p><p>You're just as expendable as part-timers. The Union just gives a <img src="http://*" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="http://*" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="http://*" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="http://*" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> more about you. Dont be a selfish prick. Stand with part timers. Otherwise, the Chris Christies and Scott Walkers are going to finish you off, you little piece of what's left of the middle class. When they come for you, you'll wish you had stood with us. </p><p></p><p>Secondly, this guy: </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not the issue here. The real issue is that pts are not getting a proportionate slice of the pie. Whether "a more just slice" is enough to sustain us or just supplement other jobs is irrelevant. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, the generational divide. So hypocritical, selfish, stupid, etc. </p><p></p><p>That youngster who feels entitled to a full-time position or driving position,<strong> he's waited substantially longer than you had to for the same opportunity</strong>. But you're saying he's not willing to work for it? He's probably worked more for it than you ever had to (fans in the trucks notwithstanding). And his pay is probably about the same as what you earned when you started, even though costs have inflated in the last 20-30 years. <strong>So he's effectively making less cash too. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Where do you get the balls to this generation of UPSers on hard work?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Themostartfulofdodgers, post: 994183, member: 42375"] This was an incredibly sad thread for me to read. This is also the dumbest post a union man could possibly write. It really shows that income disparity in this country isn't just about the 1% and the 99%. It's also about a divide between the young and the old. What UPSguy, Bug, and others show, is that there really is very little solidarity between Americans of different economic and age groups, even within the union itself. Just because there are other worse jobs out there doesn't mean the current compensation structure between pts and fts is just. You're essentially saying, you're lucky you get what you get. Be grateful and be silent. You sound more like a CEO wiping the crumbs from his table than a union brother. And if that's not what you're saying, why do you even bring up the green grass of other pt jobs? Oh yeah? I bet I could walk to my local seven eleven and find a hardworking, diligent latin american or eastern european fellow to take your cushy driving position for 8 bucks an hour to start. I could probably train him to be as fast as you, follow Federal regulations and all the rest. Oh, but wait, we have a UNION THAT PROTECTS YOU FROM THAT! That's the point of having a union, so that the value of labor isn't subject to the laws of supply and demand that other markets are. We aren't simply commodities, we're human beings with families that we love and want to provide for! Jesus! Basically you're saying that drivers and full-time workers deserve to be protected from economics/market forces more than part-timers. There are more of us and we're less skilled, so we are more expendable. You're just as expendable as part-timers. The Union just gives a [IMG]*[/IMG][IMG]*[/IMG][IMG]*[/IMG][IMG]*[/IMG] more about you. Dont be a selfish prick. Stand with part timers. Otherwise, the Chris Christies and Scott Walkers are going to finish you off, you little piece of what's left of the middle class. When they come for you, you'll wish you had stood with us. Secondly, this guy: That's not the issue here. The real issue is that pts are not getting a proportionate slice of the pie. Whether "a more just slice" is enough to sustain us or just supplement other jobs is irrelevant. Again, the generational divide. So hypocritical, selfish, stupid, etc. That youngster who feels entitled to a full-time position or driving position,[B] he's waited substantially longer than you had to for the same opportunity[/B]. But you're saying he's not willing to work for it? He's probably worked more for it than you ever had to (fans in the trucks notwithstanding). And his pay is probably about the same as what you earned when you started, even though costs have inflated in the last 20-30 years. [B]So he's effectively making less cash too. [/B] Where do you get the balls to this generation of UPSers on hard work? [/QUOTE]
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