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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 133569" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I think Saadi of the Islamic Jihad is dead on the money. No matter who gets elected nothing will change and both sides know this. I became of voting age in the early 70's and I've sat down and really pondered what has change and what has gotten better since then. Oh, we've have some policy changes here and there that may have benefitted in some way but ask yourself this to consider for a moment.</p><p> </p><p>Over the last 30 to 40 years, our gov't and the wonks that make it up have cried of problems and and the need for gov't control. In this period our gov't, it's budget and it's debt have all grown to massive levels and based on trends there is no reason to believe that in another 30 or 40 years, those who envision a "small gov't" at the federal level will long for our day now as being a small gov't paradise just as many today would love to be back at the 1970's levels. But here's where one has to sit back and honestly look and consider the greater question that the Washington insider hope you will never do. </p><p> </p><p>In the past 30 to 40 years, with all that gov't done, what has really been resolved once and for all? What problem has been so resolved that a national announcement of victory has been declared, that all gov't necessary to support is no longer needed and that the gov't employee's have been assigned elsewhere or better yet sent back out to enter the private sector? </p><p> </p><p>In the 70's it was the War on Inflation. All the politicians extolled their ideas of how to eliminate inflation once and for all and did we? Nope! It's still here but what we did is create and expand gov't to the point that inflation is planned (so to speak) and controlled. Inflation could exploded at any moment if we decided not to take the magic pill the doctor gaves us. More on that one later.</p><p> </p><p>How about the War on Drugs? A boondoggle going now for 20 years plus (really started in early 1900's) and where are we? No closer to winning if you want to know the truth. We've expanded, legislated and thrown vast sums of tax dollars and what do we really have to show for it? We've eliminated the small dealers and traffickers to some degree but we set up the situation where a few could now consolidate and control certain markets and drug lanes and in turn, via their legit sides, smooze gov't and police agencies to be able to market their products while at the same time, when they see a new market threat in the form of an up and coming new dealer in the market, the big boys use the police agencies and gov't to bust and eliminate this new market threat. These big dealers have seen for years how the big Corp. guys use, control and manipulate gov't to protect there business interests and they are now doing the same. </p><p> </p><p>I as well as any of you I'm sure can name a number of issues that we think are resolved but in reality they aren't. The bureaucracy and the supporting legislation has allowed the gov't to plan and control these elements to the point that you and I consider them resolved. Think for a moment. Would the gov't really want illegal drugs eliminated once and for all? If this happened, the impact to the economy would be massive. Think of all of these 1000's of people (if not millions) who in some way or another have their income and work come from the market segment of illegal drug enforcement and treatment. All of a sudden they have no work so what are they going to do? At some point the taxpayer would demand some element of productivity out of those tax dollars so either assign them elsewhere or turn them loose. Could you imagine all those police officials, gov't bureaucrats and health professionals now out of work at one time and the impact that would have economically? The dirty truth is they can't win the war and at the same time they can't legalize it either. Either scenario is damaging. The solution? Maintain and control the problem to suit the needs and use it to make the people believe that gov't is needed in all matters and is the only option.</p><p> </p><p>Here's one that FDR created back in the 1930's that most felt a noble thing for gov't to do. It was called the Rural Electrification Adminstration (REA) and was created in 1935'. The goal of REA was to promote electricification in rurals areas which was rare at the time because of the cost of running lines. Now 70 years later do you think we need this agency? Most would think not and I agree but yet we still have it! It's no longer a stand alone but was folded into the USDA an here's their website <a href="http://www.usda.gov/rus/" target="_blank">Utilities Programs</a> From looking over things, the old REA has become a Federal Loans department. Could it be some of these proposed projects are not justified enough to obtain private sector loans or better yet, the industry has manipulated the system to get gov't to be their lowcost loan officer at the expense of the American taxpayer? My money is on the latter rather than the former based on what I see in politics today.</p><p> </p><p>Now speaking of that doctor. Let's say you woke up one day feeling sick. I mean sick enough to effect your lifestyle and you knew a doctor visit was in need. So off you go and the Doc checks you out and said you need to take these pills and everything will be AOK. So you take the pills and sure enough you do feel alot better, not picture perfect as you once did but good enough to function as you need to. You believe you've been cured but then the pills run out and that old feeling comes creeping back. You return to the Doc exclaiming you've got it again and you begin the cycle of pills again. Pills run out and back to the Doc you go. Finally one day you ask the Doc why hasn't he cured you yet. Then the Doc finally has to tell you the ugly truth. "I can't sure you" he exclaims. I can only sell you these pills that treat the symptoms and give the illusion of cure but that is short term and needs my constant care for the rest of your life. From now on til you die, you will have to see me on a regular basis so I may give you the pills you need. We leave under the belief that this is our only option and out of conditioning and fear we dare not tread elsewhere in the hope that there really is a cure. That patient is everyone of us here and across this great country.</p><p> </p><p>Washington really doesn't care who you vote for because they have both bases covered. No matter which way you go on election day it's gonna be AOK for them and nothing will change for you and me. What scares Washington more than anything else is low voter turnout. In our State's early primary election only 15% of the voters turned out and right now the big boys are schitting bricks, scared of what Tuesday will bring. Voting is like the ERI is to UPS. UPS wants a high ERI turnout so they can know what you're thinking and then react accordingly with actions to steer you and me in certain directions that they have planned with the idea that results will be planned and controlled to fit the large business plans and goals of the company. UPS gets what they want and we think we got what we want. Perect world! Don't get mad at UPS because our gov't has done this long before UPS did and most larger company's do/did this long before UPS did so UPS has just caught on in the last 20 years. In the mid-70's I worked for a much smaller company than UPS who did this and when I saw UPS go this route in the mid-80's or so, it was not new to me having already seen it before. Voting is nothing more than a national ERI and the candy to get you to vote is the politician who tells you what you want to hear. When they get in there after the election, Very little changes. You fear the democrats will withdraw from Iraq but howmany years has the republicans been saying they will eliminate the income tax, privatize SS and outlaw abortion. Oh you say it was those bastard democrats who stopped it but you'd better look again, They never had any intention of doing any of this because they knew like the law enforcement and healthcare is to the drug trade, so are these other issues to their various attachments in the greater planned society. They are meer hot buttons to get you to react on election day. Same is true on the other side of the political isle. Hell, even the environment comes into this. They want Kyoto because it commoditizes pollution and thus creates a global trading market where the smaller countries can make money off the larger countries. America is bucking because China and India aren't included and would grant them an upperhand in the marketplace as they could pollute and still sell credits to make money on both ends. The US will jump on board with both feet when either China and India are included or we as a nation find a solution that vastly reduced out output and thus we can make money by selling our credits. It's all about the money boys and girls. We don't have fuel alternatives now because it's not built into the larger planned economy and public policy!</p><p> </p><p>If you must vote democrat or republican then at least always vote against the incumbent. In other words, every election cycle would completely turn over the House and 1/3 of the Senate on the National level and Washington knows you're addicted to incumbents so that's the one bet they've never had a hedge one. On this coming Tuesday, be a revolutionary in the greatest peaceful revolution of mankind. Throw em' a real curveball and vote for anybody but the incumbent. That peaceful act will do more good for this country than any and all the legislation you could ever come up with. You fear Nancy Pelosi? Great, vote against the incumbent! You hate Dennis Hastert? No problem, vote against the incumbent. It's a win/win folks and huge message to both parties from us, the real Americans!</p><p> </p><p>JMHO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 133569, member: 2189"] I think Saadi of the Islamic Jihad is dead on the money. No matter who gets elected nothing will change and both sides know this. I became of voting age in the early 70's and I've sat down and really pondered what has change and what has gotten better since then. Oh, we've have some policy changes here and there that may have benefitted in some way but ask yourself this to consider for a moment. Over the last 30 to 40 years, our gov't and the wonks that make it up have cried of problems and and the need for gov't control. In this period our gov't, it's budget and it's debt have all grown to massive levels and based on trends there is no reason to believe that in another 30 or 40 years, those who envision a "small gov't" at the federal level will long for our day now as being a small gov't paradise just as many today would love to be back at the 1970's levels. But here's where one has to sit back and honestly look and consider the greater question that the Washington insider hope you will never do. In the past 30 to 40 years, with all that gov't done, what has really been resolved once and for all? What problem has been so resolved that a national announcement of victory has been declared, that all gov't necessary to support is no longer needed and that the gov't employee's have been assigned elsewhere or better yet sent back out to enter the private sector? In the 70's it was the War on Inflation. All the politicians extolled their ideas of how to eliminate inflation once and for all and did we? Nope! It's still here but what we did is create and expand gov't to the point that inflation is planned (so to speak) and controlled. Inflation could exploded at any moment if we decided not to take the magic pill the doctor gaves us. More on that one later. How about the War on Drugs? A boondoggle going now for 20 years plus (really started in early 1900's) and where are we? No closer to winning if you want to know the truth. We've expanded, legislated and thrown vast sums of tax dollars and what do we really have to show for it? We've eliminated the small dealers and traffickers to some degree but we set up the situation where a few could now consolidate and control certain markets and drug lanes and in turn, via their legit sides, smooze gov't and police agencies to be able to market their products while at the same time, when they see a new market threat in the form of an up and coming new dealer in the market, the big boys use the police agencies and gov't to bust and eliminate this new market threat. These big dealers have seen for years how the big Corp. guys use, control and manipulate gov't to protect there business interests and they are now doing the same. I as well as any of you I'm sure can name a number of issues that we think are resolved but in reality they aren't. The bureaucracy and the supporting legislation has allowed the gov't to plan and control these elements to the point that you and I consider them resolved. Think for a moment. Would the gov't really want illegal drugs eliminated once and for all? If this happened, the impact to the economy would be massive. Think of all of these 1000's of people (if not millions) who in some way or another have their income and work come from the market segment of illegal drug enforcement and treatment. All of a sudden they have no work so what are they going to do? At some point the taxpayer would demand some element of productivity out of those tax dollars so either assign them elsewhere or turn them loose. Could you imagine all those police officials, gov't bureaucrats and health professionals now out of work at one time and the impact that would have economically? The dirty truth is they can't win the war and at the same time they can't legalize it either. Either scenario is damaging. The solution? Maintain and control the problem to suit the needs and use it to make the people believe that gov't is needed in all matters and is the only option. Here's one that FDR created back in the 1930's that most felt a noble thing for gov't to do. It was called the Rural Electrification Adminstration (REA) and was created in 1935'. The goal of REA was to promote electricification in rurals areas which was rare at the time because of the cost of running lines. Now 70 years later do you think we need this agency? Most would think not and I agree but yet we still have it! It's no longer a stand alone but was folded into the USDA an here's their website [URL="http://www.usda.gov/rus/"]Utilities Programs[/URL] From looking over things, the old REA has become a Federal Loans department. Could it be some of these proposed projects are not justified enough to obtain private sector loans or better yet, the industry has manipulated the system to get gov't to be their lowcost loan officer at the expense of the American taxpayer? My money is on the latter rather than the former based on what I see in politics today. Now speaking of that doctor. Let's say you woke up one day feeling sick. I mean sick enough to effect your lifestyle and you knew a doctor visit was in need. So off you go and the Doc checks you out and said you need to take these pills and everything will be AOK. So you take the pills and sure enough you do feel alot better, not picture perfect as you once did but good enough to function as you need to. You believe you've been cured but then the pills run out and that old feeling comes creeping back. You return to the Doc exclaiming you've got it again and you begin the cycle of pills again. Pills run out and back to the Doc you go. Finally one day you ask the Doc why hasn't he cured you yet. Then the Doc finally has to tell you the ugly truth. "I can't sure you" he exclaims. I can only sell you these pills that treat the symptoms and give the illusion of cure but that is short term and needs my constant care for the rest of your life. From now on til you die, you will have to see me on a regular basis so I may give you the pills you need. We leave under the belief that this is our only option and out of conditioning and fear we dare not tread elsewhere in the hope that there really is a cure. That patient is everyone of us here and across this great country. Washington really doesn't care who you vote for because they have both bases covered. No matter which way you go on election day it's gonna be AOK for them and nothing will change for you and me. What scares Washington more than anything else is low voter turnout. In our State's early primary election only 15% of the voters turned out and right now the big boys are schitting bricks, scared of what Tuesday will bring. Voting is like the ERI is to UPS. UPS wants a high ERI turnout so they can know what you're thinking and then react accordingly with actions to steer you and me in certain directions that they have planned with the idea that results will be planned and controlled to fit the large business plans and goals of the company. UPS gets what they want and we think we got what we want. Perect world! Don't get mad at UPS because our gov't has done this long before UPS did and most larger company's do/did this long before UPS did so UPS has just caught on in the last 20 years. In the mid-70's I worked for a much smaller company than UPS who did this and when I saw UPS go this route in the mid-80's or so, it was not new to me having already seen it before. Voting is nothing more than a national ERI and the candy to get you to vote is the politician who tells you what you want to hear. When they get in there after the election, Very little changes. You fear the democrats will withdraw from Iraq but howmany years has the republicans been saying they will eliminate the income tax, privatize SS and outlaw abortion. Oh you say it was those bastard democrats who stopped it but you'd better look again, They never had any intention of doing any of this because they knew like the law enforcement and healthcare is to the drug trade, so are these other issues to their various attachments in the greater planned society. They are meer hot buttons to get you to react on election day. Same is true on the other side of the political isle. Hell, even the environment comes into this. They want Kyoto because it commoditizes pollution and thus creates a global trading market where the smaller countries can make money off the larger countries. America is bucking because China and India aren't included and would grant them an upperhand in the marketplace as they could pollute and still sell credits to make money on both ends. The US will jump on board with both feet when either China and India are included or we as a nation find a solution that vastly reduced out output and thus we can make money by selling our credits. It's all about the money boys and girls. We don't have fuel alternatives now because it's not built into the larger planned economy and public policy! If you must vote democrat or republican then at least always vote against the incumbent. In other words, every election cycle would completely turn over the House and 1/3 of the Senate on the National level and Washington knows you're addicted to incumbents so that's the one bet they've never had a hedge one. On this coming Tuesday, be a revolutionary in the greatest peaceful revolution of mankind. Throw em' a real curveball and vote for anybody but the incumbent. That peaceful act will do more good for this country than any and all the legislation you could ever come up with. You fear Nancy Pelosi? Great, vote against the incumbent! You hate Dennis Hastert? No problem, vote against the incumbent. It's a win/win folks and huge message to both parties from us, the real Americans! JMHO [/QUOTE]
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