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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 135414" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Concerning Iraq, I'm not sure all that much will change.</p><p></p><p>BostonHerald.com - International: Iraqi president says Democrats told him they will not pull out quickly</p><p></p><p>If true then I suspect, as I have all along, that the democrat party leadership is not so much against empirical adventures but were upset that they weren't the one's calling the shots running the empire. What may prove interesting is that many newly elects ran on an anti-war type platform and the American people are expecting to some change for the better. If the status quo is maintained (and I hope and pray it is) this could erode American confidence in the 2 party system and set the stage for a number of independent candidates to move out into the light of day as soon maybe as 2008'. If I were Pelosi and Reid I won't kick back just yet with cigars and Scotch as the pot is already beginning to boil within their own ranks. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20081007095047/http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/09/D8LA01L00.html" target="_blank">BREITBART.COM - McGovern to Meet With Congress on War</a></p><p>BTW: I do think McGovern has is right about the American voter and what they are expecting.</p><p></p><p>The traditional Christian Conservative base that has dominated the RNC for 20 plus years is fast eroding and from this are musings of 3rd or independent parties and candidates coming out from these ranks to challenge for power on a very overt religious platform. In some cases, IMO, Christian fascism. Now seeing their old party secretly condone a homosexual child molester was a slap in the face to go on top of a lobbyist in league with one of their own so-called Christian leaders (Abramhoff/Ralph Reed alliance) to rally the christian shock troops to oppose certain gambling legislation that in effect prohibited certain efforts of others to enter the gaming business while atthe same time protecting the business tuff of some already in it. The moral hypocrisy peeked with the republican shook troops staying home and the rest as they say is history.</p><p></p><p>On the otherside of the political spectrum, some of the extremes of the democratic party are getting restless of the democrats saying one thing and then governing from the other. Many have cried for an end to the DLC control of the party and Dean was seen as someone who could play the middle where it really counted but say the things needed said to keep the shock troops on the fringes in line so they were there come election day. This may change now as middle America has given the democrat party another chance as they are looking for centrist solutions not extreme rancor as both parties have had their fair share in the past. Even Dean told Jon Stewart that Impeachment of Bush is out <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20061116013734/http://editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003379813&imw=Y" target="_blank">Howard Dean to Jon Stewart: We Won't Impeach Bush</a> and this will not set well with the many on the very farside of that isle.</p><p></p><p>But there is good news. All this playing nice and talking the talk will soon end. Somebody will say or do something and it'll be right back to the same ole' same ole'. I thought it interesting that a few days ago Hamas announced open war against America and then when the election results came out they backtracked that statement real quick. Will be interesting to watch this aspect of the big foreign political picture.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 135414, member: 2189"] Concerning Iraq, I'm not sure all that much will change. BostonHerald.com - International: Iraqi president says Democrats told him they will not pull out quickly If true then I suspect, as I have all along, that the democrat party leadership is not so much against empirical adventures but were upset that they weren't the one's calling the shots running the empire. What may prove interesting is that many newly elects ran on an anti-war type platform and the American people are expecting to some change for the better. If the status quo is maintained (and I hope and pray it is) this could erode American confidence in the 2 party system and set the stage for a number of independent candidates to move out into the light of day as soon maybe as 2008'. If I were Pelosi and Reid I won't kick back just yet with cigars and Scotch as the pot is already beginning to boil within their own ranks. [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20081007095047/http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/09/D8LA01L00.html']BREITBART.COM - McGovern to Meet With Congress on War[/URL] BTW: I do think McGovern has is right about the American voter and what they are expecting. The traditional Christian Conservative base that has dominated the RNC for 20 plus years is fast eroding and from this are musings of 3rd or independent parties and candidates coming out from these ranks to challenge for power on a very overt religious platform. In some cases, IMO, Christian fascism. Now seeing their old party secretly condone a homosexual child molester was a slap in the face to go on top of a lobbyist in league with one of their own so-called Christian leaders (Abramhoff/Ralph Reed alliance) to rally the christian shock troops to oppose certain gambling legislation that in effect prohibited certain efforts of others to enter the gaming business while atthe same time protecting the business tuff of some already in it. The moral hypocrisy peeked with the republican shook troops staying home and the rest as they say is history. On the otherside of the political spectrum, some of the extremes of the democratic party are getting restless of the democrats saying one thing and then governing from the other. Many have cried for an end to the DLC control of the party and Dean was seen as someone who could play the middle where it really counted but say the things needed said to keep the shock troops on the fringes in line so they were there come election day. This may change now as middle America has given the democrat party another chance as they are looking for centrist solutions not extreme rancor as both parties have had their fair share in the past. Even Dean told Jon Stewart that Impeachment of Bush is out [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20061116013734/http://editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003379813&imw=Y']Howard Dean to Jon Stewart: We Won't Impeach Bush[/URL] and this will not set well with the many on the very farside of that isle. But there is good news. All this playing nice and talking the talk will soon end. Somebody will say or do something and it'll be right back to the same ole' same ole'. I thought it interesting that a few days ago Hamas announced open war against America and then when the election results came out they backtracked that statement real quick. Will be interesting to watch this aspect of the big foreign political picture. [/QUOTE]
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