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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 399912" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>As to the first point, obviously on a political and economic level, I completely disagree with Chavez as the method of leadership but to be fair to Chavez, Bush made it easy for Chavez to take the position he took and one could argue promoting a more authoriterain Chavez to boot.</p><p> </p><p>There are suggestions abound that the Bush adminstration had it's hand in the April 2002' coup attempt to depose Chavez because we only like democracy when it fits our interests. </p><p> </p><p>Tip of the iceberg <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1933526.stm" target="_blank"><strong><span style="color: red">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1933526.stm</span></strong></a></p><p> </p><p>To make matters worse, over the last 60 years we have a sad history of doing these type of things (Iran and Iraq being very good examples) and Chavez knows this so when it walks and quacks like a duck, etc. etc. Also, Chavez' open relationship with Castro inflammed anti-Castro Cuban-Americans who are powerful in the republican party ranks, Otto Reich being just one small example <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Reich" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Reich</strong></span></a> so it's easy to make a tyrant into a villian but when you play chess, in order to achieve checkmate you have to convince your opponent to make moves he/she might on their own not make. </p><p> </p><p>Chavez may now feel the only way to protect himself in office is to tighten down the screws which he no doubt has done. Seems to me our gov't pulled a Hegelian Dialectic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegelian_dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegelian_dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic</strong></span></a> but he wasn't smart enough to avoid the trap. If he stays the course after the coup and leaves things as they were, he probably risks another coup attempt. If he clamps down as he did, he's now a propaganda tool as he has become. Either way, he's toast and he knows it.</p><p> </p><p>I'm not defending Chavez nor do I support his means and method of governance but this isn't all one sided in our favor either as we may have our own darkside.</p><p> </p><p>As to your 2nd point about who the next President is, I don't know about how he'd feel if it were McCain. I don't think he feels threatened by Obama or the democrats because the anti-Castro forces are not strong in the democrat party like they are the republican so it's a wait and see game IMO. I don't think it's a big secret a long of foreign elements are pulling for Obama but it's the bureacratic US security state and it's bureacracy that everyone has their eye on. And if the old cold war mentality esculates, there's no telling where this all goes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 399912, member: 2189"] As to the first point, obviously on a political and economic level, I completely disagree with Chavez as the method of leadership but to be fair to Chavez, Bush made it easy for Chavez to take the position he took and one could argue promoting a more authoriterain Chavez to boot. There are suggestions abound that the Bush adminstration had it's hand in the April 2002' coup attempt to depose Chavez because we only like democracy when it fits our interests. Tip of the iceberg [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1933526.stm"][B][COLOR=red]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1933526.stm[/COLOR][/B][/URL] To make matters worse, over the last 60 years we have a sad history of doing these type of things (Iran and Iraq being very good examples) and Chavez knows this so when it walks and quacks like a duck, etc. etc. Also, Chavez' open relationship with Castro inflammed anti-Castro Cuban-Americans who are powerful in the republican party ranks, Otto Reich being just one small example [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Reich"][COLOR=red][B]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Reich[/B][/COLOR][/URL] so it's easy to make a tyrant into a villian but when you play chess, in order to achieve checkmate you have to convince your opponent to make moves he/she might on their own not make. Chavez may now feel the only way to protect himself in office is to tighten down the screws which he no doubt has done. Seems to me our gov't pulled a Hegelian Dialectic [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegelian_dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic"][COLOR=red][B]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegelian_dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic[/B][/COLOR][/URL] but he wasn't smart enough to avoid the trap. If he stays the course after the coup and leaves things as they were, he probably risks another coup attempt. If he clamps down as he did, he's now a propaganda tool as he has become. Either way, he's toast and he knows it. I'm not defending Chavez nor do I support his means and method of governance but this isn't all one sided in our favor either as we may have our own darkside. As to your 2nd point about who the next President is, I don't know about how he'd feel if it were McCain. I don't think he feels threatened by Obama or the democrats because the anti-Castro forces are not strong in the democrat party like they are the republican so it's a wait and see game IMO. I don't think it's a big secret a long of foreign elements are pulling for Obama but it's the bureacratic US security state and it's bureacracy that everyone has their eye on. And if the old cold war mentality esculates, there's no telling where this all goes. [/QUOTE]
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