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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 687976" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>D,</p><p></p><p>Al Gore mentioned the snow in Florida!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>OK, now that I got my jollies not that North Florida hasn't gotten snow before and remember in the 80's (or the 70's?) when they had snow flurries in the Bahama's? Now to my point.</p><p></p><p>Just a few additional points to add to your nicely done Reader's Digest review of Middle East geo-politics and US meddling. Arab hostility is often seen from a present day POV although in some circles, the furthest they might go back to point at treachery is the so-called Arab support of the Axis powers in WW1 Pt 2 otherwise known as WW2. The one's who point out Arab treachery seem to never mention the earlier treachery of the British in relationship to the promises of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Sykes-Picot agreement </span></a>in which the arab tribesmen were promised full independence if they joined the Allied powers in WW1 to overthrow the then Ottoman Empire who were allied with Germany at the time. The Arab fulfilled his promise only to watch the British violate that promise only because of a new agreement called the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration,_1917" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Balfour Declaration</span> </a>that among other things promised a homeland in Palestine to a then emerging Zionist movement in Europe, specifically England. I see a bad moon rising, thank you CCR!</p><p></p><p>As a result of these factors, a growing pan-islamic movement began to emerge with the creation of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Muslim Brotherhood</span> </a>in the late 1920's in Egypt. If one would do a casual study of the the Brotherhood, one would find the roots of all radical movements in the Middle East up to even our day (<a href="http://www.ikhwanweb.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">they still exist</span></a>) and one could clearly see that if promises made were promises kept, except for a few minor conflicts between Shia and Sunni, the middle east as we know it might be as quite and boring as the northwest territories of Canada. But the facts of history get in the way of men with motive so the facts are ignored, overlooked, shouted down and thus we are where we are.</p><p></p><p>Even Iraq itself was as much a fiction <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140705023408/http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0420-05.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">created by the US</span> </a>and it's interventions as Iran was. Even more of interest is the fact that the event that led to the first Gulf War was as much a US creation as it was a reaction by the US. Nor should we forget that the Iraqi people suffered horribly under Saddam and yet they remember well who helped to arm him and keep him in power so I can understand some of the hostility shown towards our soldiers put there. Sad part is, they (the regular soldier) and the average folk of Iraq become the meat in a sandwich that neither of them created nor in the end will they be able to eat and enjoy. It is others far removed from the death and destruction who will consume that meal as it was their intent all along.</p><p></p><p>Houston, we have a problem.</p><p></p><p>What is the nature of this problem?</p><p></p><p>To use a CIA term, it's called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Blowback</span></a>!</p><p></p><p>Just thought I'd add a couple of items for flavor to an already good review.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 687976, member: 2189"] D, Al Gore mentioned the snow in Florida! :happy-very: OK, now that I got my jollies not that North Florida hasn't gotten snow before and remember in the 80's (or the 70's?) when they had snow flurries in the Bahama's? Now to my point. Just a few additional points to add to your nicely done Reader's Digest review of Middle East geo-politics and US meddling. Arab hostility is often seen from a present day POV although in some circles, the furthest they might go back to point at treachery is the so-called Arab support of the Axis powers in WW1 Pt 2 otherwise known as WW2. The one's who point out Arab treachery seem to never mention the earlier treachery of the British in relationship to the promises of the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement'][COLOR=red]Sykes-Picot agreement [/COLOR][/URL]in which the arab tribesmen were promised full independence if they joined the Allied powers in WW1 to overthrow the then Ottoman Empire who were allied with Germany at the time. The Arab fulfilled his promise only to watch the British violate that promise only because of a new agreement called the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration,_1917'][COLOR=red]Balfour Declaration[/COLOR] [/URL]that among other things promised a homeland in Palestine to a then emerging Zionist movement in Europe, specifically England. I see a bad moon rising, thank you CCR! As a result of these factors, a growing pan-islamic movement began to emerge with the creation of the [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood'][COLOR=red]Muslim Brotherhood[/COLOR] [/URL]in the late 1920's in Egypt. If one would do a casual study of the the Brotherhood, one would find the roots of all radical movements in the Middle East up to even our day ([URL='http://www.ikhwanweb.com/'][COLOR=red]they still exist[/COLOR][/URL]) and one could clearly see that if promises made were promises kept, except for a few minor conflicts between Shia and Sunni, the middle east as we know it might be as quite and boring as the northwest territories of Canada. But the facts of history get in the way of men with motive so the facts are ignored, overlooked, shouted down and thus we are where we are. Even Iraq itself was as much a fiction [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20140705023408/http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0420-05.htm'][COLOR=red]created by the US[/COLOR] [/URL]and it's interventions as Iran was. Even more of interest is the fact that the event that led to the first Gulf War was as much a US creation as it was a reaction by the US. Nor should we forget that the Iraqi people suffered horribly under Saddam and yet they remember well who helped to arm him and keep him in power so I can understand some of the hostility shown towards our soldiers put there. Sad part is, they (the regular soldier) and the average folk of Iraq become the meat in a sandwich that neither of them created nor in the end will they be able to eat and enjoy. It is others far removed from the death and destruction who will consume that meal as it was their intent all along. Houston, we have a problem. What is the nature of this problem? To use a CIA term, it's called [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)'][COLOR=red]Blowback[/COLOR][/URL]! Just thought I'd add a couple of items for flavor to an already good review. :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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