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Where is the posting about the Div. manager memo wanting old drivers forced out?
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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 863915" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>OCTANE snuffer,</p><p></p><p>First of all, your first mistake is to compare yourself to me. While I can appreciate your stepping up to the challenge of standing up for your fellow brother, you will need to walk more than a mile to fill my shoes, sonny.</p><p></p><p>I sat on two negotiation committees in 1992, then again in 1997. I have been a business agent for two terms (6 yrs), I was an executive officer for 2 terms. Ive negotiated hundreds of cases and close to 100 arbitrations in 21 years. I have consulted with many locals across this country and with the International.</p><p></p><p>When your resume comes close to this, then you can carry my briefcase.</p><p></p><p>As for your style vs. my style, its pretty simple. It comes down to respect. In my area, (So Cal.) I am a respected negotiator. There is no need to raise my voice, slam my fist, wall paper the center manager's office or shout out front as if I had nothing better to do.</p><p></p><p>Those kind of guys have an expiration date on their backs. We just lost one such guy. Briefcase carrying driver, wall papering the center manager's office daily, shouting matches and influencing his coworkers negatively. For a few years he rejected advice and thought he had it all figured out. He was wrong. He just lost his case in arbitration. A simple nothing case that 99.9 times out of a hundred the company handles behind closed doors with a couple of apologies. But in this case, UPS dug in. HE was forced into arbitration, the local provided him the best case and the term was upheld. Without releasing his personal info, I can say that his case was lost because he couldnt leave things alone and let the local handle his case.</p><p></p><p>He had a chance to accept a return with a "deal" and passed because he felt he was the stronger party. He was wrong. He consulted with me and I gave him the best advice possible and placed the "deal" in front of him. </p><p> </p><p>This "deal" was constructed between myself, UPS labor and the Division Manager. Anyone else would have taken the deal and got back on the clock, but this guy was so consumed with personal importance, he chose to fight it out.</p><p></p><p>He was only the second person in my history to turn down a deal, go to arbitration and lose. It wasnt my case and I wasnt a fan of his. I gave him the best option for him and his family. He chose his own fate.</p><p></p><p>You see Racer, I get whatever I want out here in So Cal. There isnt a single division, regional or labor manager I dont know in California. Ive been up and down this entire state.</p><p></p><p>Not every case can be settled, but thats what I try to accomplish without the hassles of local hearings, panels or arbitrations.</p><p></p><p>As for injecting politics into this thread, I never do on Union discussion boards. But since YOU did, i will say that you stated you are committed to nothing, and I have to tell you that if you dont stand for something, then you dont matter to anything.</p><p></p><p>Bandwagoners dont impress me. I stand my ground on every issue. </p><p></p><p>As for blowing smoke? Maybe you havent read my posts throughly. I straight shoot and spare no one's feelings, so dude, I hope this helps you out.</p><p></p><p>Peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 863915, member: 17969"] OCTANE snuffer, First of all, your first mistake is to compare yourself to me. While I can appreciate your stepping up to the challenge of standing up for your fellow brother, you will need to walk more than a mile to fill my shoes, sonny. I sat on two negotiation committees in 1992, then again in 1997. I have been a business agent for two terms (6 yrs), I was an executive officer for 2 terms. Ive negotiated hundreds of cases and close to 100 arbitrations in 21 years. I have consulted with many locals across this country and with the International. When your resume comes close to this, then you can carry my briefcase. As for your style vs. my style, its pretty simple. It comes down to respect. In my area, (So Cal.) I am a respected negotiator. There is no need to raise my voice, slam my fist, wall paper the center manager's office or shout out front as if I had nothing better to do. Those kind of guys have an expiration date on their backs. We just lost one such guy. Briefcase carrying driver, wall papering the center manager's office daily, shouting matches and influencing his coworkers negatively. For a few years he rejected advice and thought he had it all figured out. He was wrong. He just lost his case in arbitration. A simple nothing case that 99.9 times out of a hundred the company handles behind closed doors with a couple of apologies. But in this case, UPS dug in. HE was forced into arbitration, the local provided him the best case and the term was upheld. Without releasing his personal info, I can say that his case was lost because he couldnt leave things alone and let the local handle his case. He had a chance to accept a return with a "deal" and passed because he felt he was the stronger party. He was wrong. He consulted with me and I gave him the best advice possible and placed the "deal" in front of him. This "deal" was constructed between myself, UPS labor and the Division Manager. Anyone else would have taken the deal and got back on the clock, but this guy was so consumed with personal importance, he chose to fight it out. He was only the second person in my history to turn down a deal, go to arbitration and lose. It wasnt my case and I wasnt a fan of his. I gave him the best option for him and his family. He chose his own fate. You see Racer, I get whatever I want out here in So Cal. There isnt a single division, regional or labor manager I dont know in California. Ive been up and down this entire state. Not every case can be settled, but thats what I try to accomplish without the hassles of local hearings, panels or arbitrations. As for injecting politics into this thread, I never do on Union discussion boards. But since YOU did, i will say that you stated you are committed to nothing, and I have to tell you that if you dont stand for something, then you dont matter to anything. Bandwagoners dont impress me. I stand my ground on every issue. As for blowing smoke? Maybe you havent read my posts throughly. I straight shoot and spare no one's feelings, so dude, I hope this helps you out. Peace. [/QUOTE]
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