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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 882843" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>There are many things to understand first before making a decision. From the jump, lets forget about tossing out Ron Careys name or Tom L. Ron cost this union its reputation when he left in disgrace, You call them mistakes, i call it criminal.</p><p></p><p>Lets dipense with Carey and his followers. He was ousted from the Teamsters for a kickback scheme that involved hundreds of thousands of dollars. Carey lied about the scam and he was forced out of the Teamsters as he should have been. The TDU or teamsters for a democratic union knew of this scam and continued to support Carey and his administration. Since then, TDU hasnt been taken seriously and Tom L who was around at the time of the Carey scam took the lead.</p><p></p><p>Leedham, became a perpetual loser in the general elections and a new face had to be found to take his place. Enter Sandy Pope. With Leedham behind her, its no surprise that TDU is trying to take control once again through the back door and THAT AINT HAPPENING.</p><p></p><p>The last thing "We" as UPS teamsters need is for TDU to take control of this Union.</p><p></p><p>As for contract enforcement, first, you have to blame YOURSELF if you voted to ratify this last contract, along with everyone else who ratified it. The contract committees created the language we have now, hall did fail in some respect, but the LOCALS approved it and sent it to the membership for ratification.</p><p></p><p>Sandy Pope has NO IDEA what problems we are facing at UPS. Just because she stood in front of a couple of yards and listened to people bitching doesnt make her qualified. Package division needs alot of help, part time needs alot of help, 22.3 needs alot of help, feeder needs alot of help, package diversion needs to be addressed, technology and understanding every element of that technology is going to be key in next years contract talks.</p><p></p><p>Sandy Pope doesnt have the first clue about our technology. Committees are being formed now, to bring in the best people with the most extensive experience with technology. This is something Sandy Pope cannot learn on the fly. </p><p></p><p>As for the company boasting about its relationship with the union, well, you should be thanking your lucky stars instead of trying to read into that something sinister. In this economy, a good working relationship between UPS and the Teamsters will get us a ratified contract in 2013 without going on strike.</p><p></p><p>Sandy Pope seems to be a nice lady, but hardly the kind of person who needs to be placed in charge of the UPS/Teamster contract.</p><p></p><p>Representation begins at the local level, not the national level. Stewards, agents and then executive officers. What do you want, Hoffa representing you in a 9.5 meeting with your center manager?</p><p></p><p>If your local representation is not doing the job, then vote them out. If your local cant stand up to the eboard of the International, then vote them out. You said that Sandy Popes claim is that the eboard is under Hoffas control and "thus" he must be removed.</p><p></p><p>This is ridiculous. You are then saying that replacing Hoffa with Pope would change all our circumstances. YOUR WRONG. Everything at the executive level happens with a vote. If the seven member Eboard votes 6 to 1 against Sandy Pope on everything she proposes, how does that help you???</p><p></p><p>Her one (1) vote means nothing in that scenario, and the eboard could continue to do business as usual even with her sitting in the room.</p><p></p><p>This next contract will be critical to us all given the scope of the economy. If by February the economy goes into another recession, contract talks will require the most experienced negotiators in the country and Sandy Pope isnt on that list.</p><p></p><p>The membership isnt stupid, and they know that their futures are at stake. Changing the General President only, will not effect the change in leadership that you appear to be seeking. IF Sandy Pope was to be taken serious, she would have assembled an EBOARD and ran as a slate instead of by herself.</p><p></p><p>This shows her lack of leadership and ability to mobilize other leaders. What it does demonstrate is that she is willing to do what she is told by the people who are trying to place her in office.</p><p></p><p>Hoffa/Hall 2012- "they aint the best, but it could be worse"</p><p></p><p>Peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 882843, member: 17969"] There are many things to understand first before making a decision. From the jump, lets forget about tossing out Ron Careys name or Tom L. Ron cost this union its reputation when he left in disgrace, You call them mistakes, i call it criminal. Lets dipense with Carey and his followers. He was ousted from the Teamsters for a kickback scheme that involved hundreds of thousands of dollars. Carey lied about the scam and he was forced out of the Teamsters as he should have been. The TDU or teamsters for a democratic union knew of this scam and continued to support Carey and his administration. Since then, TDU hasnt been taken seriously and Tom L who was around at the time of the Carey scam took the lead. Leedham, became a perpetual loser in the general elections and a new face had to be found to take his place. Enter Sandy Pope. With Leedham behind her, its no surprise that TDU is trying to take control once again through the back door and THAT AINT HAPPENING. The last thing "We" as UPS teamsters need is for TDU to take control of this Union. As for contract enforcement, first, you have to blame YOURSELF if you voted to ratify this last contract, along with everyone else who ratified it. The contract committees created the language we have now, hall did fail in some respect, but the LOCALS approved it and sent it to the membership for ratification. Sandy Pope has NO IDEA what problems we are facing at UPS. Just because she stood in front of a couple of yards and listened to people bitching doesnt make her qualified. Package division needs alot of help, part time needs alot of help, 22.3 needs alot of help, feeder needs alot of help, package diversion needs to be addressed, technology and understanding every element of that technology is going to be key in next years contract talks. Sandy Pope doesnt have the first clue about our technology. Committees are being formed now, to bring in the best people with the most extensive experience with technology. This is something Sandy Pope cannot learn on the fly. As for the company boasting about its relationship with the union, well, you should be thanking your lucky stars instead of trying to read into that something sinister. In this economy, a good working relationship between UPS and the Teamsters will get us a ratified contract in 2013 without going on strike. Sandy Pope seems to be a nice lady, but hardly the kind of person who needs to be placed in charge of the UPS/Teamster contract. Representation begins at the local level, not the national level. Stewards, agents and then executive officers. What do you want, Hoffa representing you in a 9.5 meeting with your center manager? If your local representation is not doing the job, then vote them out. If your local cant stand up to the eboard of the International, then vote them out. You said that Sandy Popes claim is that the eboard is under Hoffas control and "thus" he must be removed. This is ridiculous. You are then saying that replacing Hoffa with Pope would change all our circumstances. YOUR WRONG. Everything at the executive level happens with a vote. If the seven member Eboard votes 6 to 1 against Sandy Pope on everything she proposes, how does that help you??? Her one (1) vote means nothing in that scenario, and the eboard could continue to do business as usual even with her sitting in the room. This next contract will be critical to us all given the scope of the economy. If by February the economy goes into another recession, contract talks will require the most experienced negotiators in the country and Sandy Pope isnt on that list. The membership isnt stupid, and they know that their futures are at stake. Changing the General President only, will not effect the change in leadership that you appear to be seeking. IF Sandy Pope was to be taken serious, she would have assembled an EBOARD and ran as a slate instead of by herself. This shows her lack of leadership and ability to mobilize other leaders. What it does demonstrate is that she is willing to do what she is told by the people who are trying to place her in office. Hoffa/Hall 2012- "they aint the best, but it could be worse" Peace. [/QUOTE]
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