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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 883216" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Did you miss my positions? I said that I have disagreements with Hoffa/Hall, mostly with Hall in his handling of the last contract. That doesnt mean I believe they are unqualified. I had a desenting opinion of the contract then and voiced my objections to it clearly. </p><p></p><p>What most of you are missing is the reality of negotiations of a contract. Hoffa doesnt sit at each table and negotiate each aspect of the contract. Thats what the committees do. Those committees are made up of the various locals around the country. In theory, the best minds in the business coming together to put together a strong contract.</p><p></p><p>But, in reality, not all locals are experienced with UPS technologies and change as we would like to believe. Some locals primary focus isnt on UPS as they have one hub or a small representation of UPSers. There expertise may be in other industries and that doesnt help when talking about edd or pas, or trace, or gps or any other technological device/program UPS has in the works.</p><p></p><p>For example, in the last contract setting, article 6 language was negotiated and agreed to. UPS at the time, informed the UNION that its new GPS technology would only be used for SAFETY PURPOSES and the UNION team on Article 6 believed it. When the contract was sent out for ratification, each local repeated this agreement to its members despite the many complaints lodged against the new language in article 6.</p><p></p><p>Sure enough, 1 year after ratification, UPS began a transition from safety to discipline using the new article 6 language as their guide. The 1 caveat in article 6 said "on the first offense", but what about afterwards?</p><p></p><p>This was a simple mistake made by the article 6 team. They didnt have the foresight to see what was coming. Some of us did, and said so on this very board. Check my posts on the subject. Everything that is happening today is what i said during ratification.</p><p></p><p>This isnt Hoffas fault, its OURS. We as a group ratified the contract and left the language to stand. Another example is the 9.5 language, there, an open door to modification was left on the table and sure enough, the language in article 37 relating to 9.5 was modified a year after it was ratified.</p><p></p><p>Again, Hoffas fault or ours? We had the chance to stop and make changes, but the majority wanted to settle the contract as they will do again in 2013. </p><p></p><p>This is what I am trying to tell you guys, fist waving and gettting all excited today is useless. The next contract will be settled early and if the Teamsters are smart, they will place the right people on the right committees who know not only what is happening, but what could potentially be coming down the road.</p><p></p><p>Do I personally believe Sandy Pope is the person who will ensure a solid contract? NO WAY. Would I endorse her? NO WAY. hall and all the locals know that UPSers are fed up with the current treatment at UPS, this time around, I know for a fact that they are reaching out to the most experienced in the field.</p><p></p><p>When the time comes, I will tell you all what committees I will sit on. I did not get invited to the 2008 contract meetings as well as many other qualified teamsters. This time will be different. I assure you.</p><p></p><p>Peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 883216, member: 17969"] Did you miss my positions? I said that I have disagreements with Hoffa/Hall, mostly with Hall in his handling of the last contract. That doesnt mean I believe they are unqualified. I had a desenting opinion of the contract then and voiced my objections to it clearly. What most of you are missing is the reality of negotiations of a contract. Hoffa doesnt sit at each table and negotiate each aspect of the contract. Thats what the committees do. Those committees are made up of the various locals around the country. In theory, the best minds in the business coming together to put together a strong contract. But, in reality, not all locals are experienced with UPS technologies and change as we would like to believe. Some locals primary focus isnt on UPS as they have one hub or a small representation of UPSers. There expertise may be in other industries and that doesnt help when talking about edd or pas, or trace, or gps or any other technological device/program UPS has in the works. For example, in the last contract setting, article 6 language was negotiated and agreed to. UPS at the time, informed the UNION that its new GPS technology would only be used for SAFETY PURPOSES and the UNION team on Article 6 believed it. When the contract was sent out for ratification, each local repeated this agreement to its members despite the many complaints lodged against the new language in article 6. Sure enough, 1 year after ratification, UPS began a transition from safety to discipline using the new article 6 language as their guide. The 1 caveat in article 6 said "on the first offense", but what about afterwards? This was a simple mistake made by the article 6 team. They didnt have the foresight to see what was coming. Some of us did, and said so on this very board. Check my posts on the subject. Everything that is happening today is what i said during ratification. This isnt Hoffas fault, its OURS. We as a group ratified the contract and left the language to stand. Another example is the 9.5 language, there, an open door to modification was left on the table and sure enough, the language in article 37 relating to 9.5 was modified a year after it was ratified. Again, Hoffas fault or ours? We had the chance to stop and make changes, but the majority wanted to settle the contract as they will do again in 2013. This is what I am trying to tell you guys, fist waving and gettting all excited today is useless. The next contract will be settled early and if the Teamsters are smart, they will place the right people on the right committees who know not only what is happening, but what could potentially be coming down the road. Do I personally believe Sandy Pope is the person who will ensure a solid contract? NO WAY. Would I endorse her? NO WAY. hall and all the locals know that UPSers are fed up with the current treatment at UPS, this time around, I know for a fact that they are reaching out to the most experienced in the field. When the time comes, I will tell you all what committees I will sit on. I did not get invited to the 2008 contract meetings as well as many other qualified teamsters. This time will be different. I assure you. Peace. [/QUOTE]
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