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<blockquote data-quote="Overpaid Union Thug" data-source="post: 1358951" data-attributes="member: 198"><p>It's all on us. All of their legislation, attempt at legislation, and union busting attorneys doesn't mean squat if we as employees want a union. Earlier I asked for an example(s) of when a union(s) was busted strictly by an outside entity without any participation on the part of the employees. Meaning.....I want to know what unions have been busted whether the employees wanted it busted or not. No one answered. And thats probably because it's never happened.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. But I must question the part about them being a financial burden. Have any locals folded or not been able to represent their members due to there being too many scabs? I know down here in my RTW state it hasn't happened in my local.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Unions don't belong in schools. They are counterproductive to our kids's educations. Not to mention dangerous. How many horrible teachers and pedophiles have unions allowed to stay on at schools when logic dictates that they should be fired. In many teachers unions it's near impossible to fire teachers that clearly deserve it. Why would we not protect the kids from these people?</p><p></p><p>Having unions in <u>certain</u> government jobs is debatable too. In my opinion unions shouldn't be allowed near military bases or anything else involved with national defense if there is the potential for strikes or other union activity to disrupt base operations. That would primarily be DOD installations and their civilian counterparts. I don't think anyone in their right minds should have a problem with that.</p><p></p><p>My main point, again, is that none of these attacks on unions matter if we, like you said, stick together. Until politicians (and others that attack unions) can bypass the will of the employees and unilaterally bust unions with the stroke of the pen there is nothing to worry about. Until then all of the lawyering up and irrelevant legislation means squat to the big picture.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Overpaid Union Thug, post: 1358951, member: 198"] It's all on us. All of their legislation, attempt at legislation, and union busting attorneys doesn't mean squat if we as employees want a union. Earlier I asked for an example(s) of when a union(s) was busted strictly by an outside entity without any participation on the part of the employees. Meaning.....I want to know what unions have been busted whether the employees wanted it busted or not. No one answered. And thats probably because it's never happened. Agreed. But I must question the part about them being a financial burden. Have any locals folded or not been able to represent their members due to there being too many scabs? I know down here in my RTW state it hasn't happened in my local. Unions don't belong in schools. They are counterproductive to our kids's educations. Not to mention dangerous. How many horrible teachers and pedophiles have unions allowed to stay on at schools when logic dictates that they should be fired. In many teachers unions it's near impossible to fire teachers that clearly deserve it. Why would we not protect the kids from these people? Having unions in [U]certain[/U] government jobs is debatable too. In my opinion unions shouldn't be allowed near military bases or anything else involved with national defense if there is the potential for strikes or other union activity to disrupt base operations. That would primarily be DOD installations and their civilian counterparts. I don't think anyone in their right minds should have a problem with that. My main point, again, is that none of these attacks on unions matter if we, like you said, stick together. Until politicians (and others that attack unions) can bypass the will of the employees and unilaterally bust unions with the stroke of the pen there is nothing to worry about. Until then all of the lawyering up and irrelevant legislation means squat to the big picture. [/QUOTE]
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