With Scalia's passing, the Agency Fee may become law

[104Feeder]

In some cases, a diminished conservative majority might hand unexpected victories to liberals.

The best example of that concerns a battle over public employee union fees that the court considered last month.


At oral argument, the court seemed prepared to hand a significant defeat to organized labor and side with a group of California teachers who claim that their free-speech rights are violated when they are forced to pay dues to the state’s teachers union.

The court’s conservatives — Scalia included — appeared ready to junk a 40-year-old precedent that allows unions to collect an “agency fee” from nonmembers to support collective-bargaining activities for members and nonmembers alike.

But the lower court, citing that precedent, had ruled for the union. And with the Supreme Court’s liberals seemingly united that way too, a 4-to-4 vote would mean that the precedent and union victory would stand.

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I would rather we win on merit but ultimately if Labor wins this one this is very good news.

 

[Lead Belly]

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I would rather we win on merit but ultimately if Labor wins this one this is very good news.

Let's just say I wasn't shedding any tears of sorrow last night for that tool. In this GOP dominated America we need everything we can get.

 

[Lead Belly]

 

[byrdman1970]

[emoji106]

 

[Lead Belly]

Scalia is hanging out with the devil right now. FeelTheBern

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

Bernie is growin on me.........

 

[Gimme Danger]

@Lead Belly, I thought you said tdu are republicans? Bernie had a lot of support among 251 leadership, while the old guard supports Trump. Go figure.

 

[Lead Belly]

 

[Lead Belly]

@Lead Belly, I thought you said tdu are republicans? Bernie had a lot of support among 251 leadership, while the old guard supports Trump. Go figure.

There is no OG or Teamster leadership supporting Trump. That's for sure.

 

[rod]

Bernie is growin on me.........

I just keep thinking---Damn--he looks 80 years old now--what the hell would he look like after 4 or 8 years as POTUS (providing he could even make it that long). Barry has aged a lot too in 7 years.

 

[Bubblehead]

I just keep thinking---Damn--he looks 80 years old now--what the hell would he look like after 4 or 8 years as POTUS (providing he could even make it that long). Barry has aged a lot in 7 years.

I think Bernie had a cold during the last debate,...or tuberculosis?

 

[Bottom rung]

Who was the last candidate that actually helped unions? All I know is that with the aca, my health insurance isn't as good.

 

[FrigidFTSup]

I think Bernie had a cold during the last debate,...or tuberculosis?

More like Alzheimer's

 

[251]

I just keep thinking---Damn--he looks 80 years old now--what the hell would he look like after 4 or 8 years as POTUS (providing he could even make it that long). Barry has aged a lot too in 7 years.

 

[Lead Belly]

Oh how far they have fallen.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Who was the last candidate that actually helped unions? All I know is that with the aca, my health insurance isn't as good.

Teamcare had nothing to do with the ACA. UPS wanted out of the healthcare business and the union wanted in.

 

[Bottom rung]

Teamcare had nothing to do with the ACA. UPS wanted out of the healthcare business and the union wanted in.

The ACA hurt every existing insurance plan out there. Ups wanted all employees Union and non-union under one insurance policy. This would have hurt plans that were currently being administered by the teamsters. All those plans would have suffered greatly without the money that Ups gives them. The union had to take on health insurance to save health insurance for every other non Ups Teamster out there.

Maybe you haven't noticed that it costs a few more dollars at the optometrist, the dentist, and the doctor. Again Where's the Democrat politicians that helped the unions as a whole?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The ACA hurt every existing insurance plan out there. Ups wanted all employees Union and non-union under one insurance policy. This would have hurt plans that were currently being administered by the teamsters. All those plans would have suffered greatly without the money that Ups gives them. The union had to take on health insurance to save health insurance for every other non Ups Teamster out there.

Maybe you haven't noticed that it costs a few more dollars at the optometrist, the dentist, and the doctor. Again Where's the Democrat politicians that helped the unions as a whole?

We were already under a Teamster healthcare plan so nothing changed for us.

 

[Inthegame]

Who was the last candidate that actually helped unions?

Candidates don't help anyone unless they're elected. As President, Bill Clinton helped the IBT by not interfering with the '97 strike.

The ACA hurt every existing insurance plan out there.

Have you surveyed "every existing insurance plan out there" to verify your opinion?

Ups wanted all employees Union and non-union under one insurance policy.

They had that. If they wanted that to continue as you propose they could have negotiated reasonable terms. $90 per week co-premium proposals indicated UPS didn't want to continue insurance coverage. Elimination of spousal coverage for management indicates their desire is the opposite of your premise.

This would have hurt plans that were currently being administered by the teamsters.

Not true. I'm in a currently administered by Teamsters union plan with UPS and non-UPS Teamsters. We have negotiated groups into our plan since the implementation of the ACA and have increased our coverage levels. Whether UPS accepted TeamCare or continued to self insure, the only real factor in any Union H&W plan are the negotiated contribution rates.

The union had to take on health insurance to save health insurance for every other non Ups Teamster out there.

H&W plans are not Pensions with long term liability. Money comes in, money goes out. Contribution rates determine coverage levels. Non-UPS Teamster companies understand their employees desire H&W and the CS H&W (TeamCare) was doing just fine before the influx of UPS participants. They now have more participants with more costs. The advantage for all is the economies of scale.

Maybe you haven't noticed that it costs a few more dollars at the optometrist, the dentist, and the doctor.

You are ignoring or are unaware and have been insulated from the pre-ACA insurance double and sometimes triple rate of inflation yearly increases of the 2000's. Insurance costs had risen greatly BEFORE the ACA. Those increases have slowed dramatically.
Candy bars aren't a nickel anymore....

 

[Bottom rung]

Candidates don't help anyone unless they're elected. As President, Bill Clinton helped the IBT by not interfering with the '97 strike.


What has obama done for us? Where's the ruling on fedex express nlrb/rla?

Have you surveyed "every existing insurance plan out there" to verify your opinion?
They had that. If they wanted that to continue as you propose they could have negotiated reasonable terms. $90 per week co-premium proposals indicated UPS didn't want to continue insurance coverage. Elimination of spousal coverage for management indicates their desire is the opposite of your premise.
Not true. I'm in a currently administered by Teamsters union plan with UPS and non-UPS Teamsters. We have negotiated groups into our plan since the implementation of the ACA and have increased our coverage levels. Whether UPS accepted TeamCare or continued to self insure, the only real factor in any Union H&W plan are the negotiated contribution rates.
H&W plans are not Pensions with long term liability. Money comes in, money goes out. Contribution rates determine coverage levels. Non-UPS Teamster companies understand their employees desire H&W and the CS H&W (TeamCare) was doing just fine before the influx of UPS participants. They now have more participants with more costs. The advantage for all is the economies of scale.


They cut the spouses off because it was costing them money, the same reason they don't wash package cars anymore. The same reason non union employees have to pay more if they smoke cigarettes.


$90/week because the company wanted to make money in the insurance business. If they wanted out why do non union employees have it through the company? My insurance has gotten worse. Less money paid on glasses, less money paid by insurance at the dentist.


You are ignoring or are unaware and have been insulated from the pre-ACA insurance double and sometimes triple rate of inflation yearly increases of the 2000's. Insurance costs had risen greatly BEFORE the ACA. Those increases have slowed dramatically.
Candy bars aren't a nickel anymore....

health insurance caught up with the inflation of everything else.