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Would You Be Willing To Back A White Collar Union In Information Services?
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<blockquote data-quote="randomUPSISer" data-source="post: 736240" data-attributes="member: 24399"><p>UPSer's USED to... before the company made it clear the last couple years that it didnt care about the employees. You get what you give, right? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. The teamsters are a VERY ineffective union for the part time loaders (who btw dont tend to vote) . Check out the full time drivers at UPS for "effective". </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, the new processed and procedures for TSG seem to be absolutely HORRENDOUS. We had a production problem a couple weeks back and had to sit wading through the stupid phone call "centralized procedures" for almost an hour before FINALLY getting someone to help us. The ENTIRE TIME I had to sit and tell them I AM FIRST LEVEL SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION I NEED TO SPEAK TO FIRST LEVEL SUPPORT FOR THE SERVERS. They wanted to know what time and days I was available to get a return phone call. (Answer: "There will be no return phone call I need to talk to them RIGHT friend@#$ing now there are over 200 employees unable to do their job") Walk outside of the ivory tower sometime and youd realize how terrible those "centralized procedures" are in the real world vs what your cost report says. Not every cost shows up on your cost report. (ie: the 200 employees sitting around waiting because we had to sit through the new call process) </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sure the drivers and aircraft maint guys would agree here, right? They have lost sooo much during the downturn compared to the IS folks. Oh wait...</p><p></p><p>Also, I.S. people arent lucky to have a job at UPS. UPS is lucky to have people. The IT market seems to be doing pretty good right now. Maybe if the company hadnt convinced these people they were "lucky to have a job" more would voluntarily leave and realize UPS is paying them waaay under market value. Everyone i know thats left voluntarily has gotten at least a 20% raise. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So unions are ineffective, but they are strangling UPS? Seems like if they are strangling UPS they are pretty effective for the union employees since clearly they have raised their members total compensation above "market value". </p><p></p><p>that being said, I'd just leave instead of creating a union. The outside world seems to be better anyway. There is nothing special about UPS any longer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="randomUPSISer, post: 736240, member: 24399"] UPSer's USED to... before the company made it clear the last couple years that it didnt care about the employees. You get what you give, right? Agreed. The teamsters are a VERY ineffective union for the part time loaders (who btw dont tend to vote) . Check out the full time drivers at UPS for "effective". Actually, the new processed and procedures for TSG seem to be absolutely HORRENDOUS. We had a production problem a couple weeks back and had to sit wading through the stupid phone call "centralized procedures" for almost an hour before FINALLY getting someone to help us. The ENTIRE TIME I had to sit and tell them I AM FIRST LEVEL SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION I NEED TO SPEAK TO FIRST LEVEL SUPPORT FOR THE SERVERS. They wanted to know what time and days I was available to get a return phone call. (Answer: "There will be no return phone call I need to talk to them RIGHT friend@#$ing now there are over 200 employees unable to do their job") Walk outside of the ivory tower sometime and youd realize how terrible those "centralized procedures" are in the real world vs what your cost report says. Not every cost shows up on your cost report. (ie: the 200 employees sitting around waiting because we had to sit through the new call process) I'm sure the drivers and aircraft maint guys would agree here, right? They have lost sooo much during the downturn compared to the IS folks. Oh wait... Also, I.S. people arent lucky to have a job at UPS. UPS is lucky to have people. The IT market seems to be doing pretty good right now. Maybe if the company hadnt convinced these people they were "lucky to have a job" more would voluntarily leave and realize UPS is paying them waaay under market value. Everyone i know thats left voluntarily has gotten at least a 20% raise. So unions are ineffective, but they are strangling UPS? Seems like if they are strangling UPS they are pretty effective for the union employees since clearly they have raised their members total compensation above "market value". that being said, I'd just leave instead of creating a union. The outside world seems to be better anyway. There is nothing special about UPS any longer. [/QUOTE]
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