9/12/2011 Call for end of Harassment

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by BCFan, Sep 18, 2011.

  1. BCFan

    BCFan Active Member

    Got a e-mail from International stating that Hoffa was addressing the harassment issues at UPS. My opinion is that this a little late. We have been driven the entire summer with routes being cut out and the remaining routes way over dispatched. UPS has played games with the route designations in order to make the triple time penalty almost impossible to get paid for our members. This whole concern was and is being currently addressed my Sandy Pope. She alone started questioning this so good ole boy Hoffa has decided its time to get the international involved. Its not the he really gives a hoot about UPS employees, I and others feel its a politcal ploy because he sees himself out of power and back in the role of shady lawyer not national labor leader. Hoffa fears loss of powerand subsequent payoffs that he may or may not be missing. A international insider that is willing to share info with me , told me that the Production Harrassment would stop happening until after the votes are counted. Hmmmmm sounds like UPS has something to gain by Hoffa getting another 5 year contract as our front man. Whatever you feel is best for you and your family is your business and I respect that, but be informed, and please vote. There are enough UPS Teamsters it is crazy that we cant have a pro UPS Teamster as Internation President.......... BC
     
  2. diamondtcabover

    diamondtcabover New Member

    One thing about us Teamsters, we have an opinion and we like to voice it. I agree with you in a couple of areas, but your choice of candidate is where I will agree to disagree.
    First off, hall claims to have done a rally at the hub in southern California the other day to tell the company where the Teamsters stand on these issues of production harrassment and standards. Where hall stood was out in the parking lot for 15 minutes while Business Agents selected Teamsters that were prepped for the rally. hall did not face the hundreds of Teamsters as they exited their work day. That would have been unscripted and unprepared for for the Hoffa-hall team.
    Teamsters are not dumb and Hoffa-hall must have those production harassment stickers over their eyes because UPS Teamsters have their eyes wide open to this politics 101 stunt that the Hoffa-hall are doing via the IBT resources and dues dollars of the membership. If they felt the need to put the "screws" to UPS Management today, how come they didn't put the "screws" to the company years ago about these issues. These issues just did not manifest themselves last week, or maybe they did if Hoffa and hall just woke up out of a deep sleep after a round of golf and dinner with UPS management.
    This why Gegare stepped away from the Hoffa Administration sometime back. Hoffa and hall have distance themselves from the day to day activities of this great organization by allowing outsiders control the direction of this Union. Hoffa does everthing by the use of polls and knowledge, or in many cases, lack of knowledge by others reporting back to him the happening's at Teamster work sites. If Hoffa was concerned about what was happening to your Brothers and Sisters at UPS, it isn't a far drive outside the Beltway to a good size UPS hub to interact with the membership.
    Maybe you didn't watch the debate where Sandy states that UPS hasn't hired a full time regular in 5 years. She did not just mis-speak, she just down right doesn't have her facts straight. She even did not offer a correction to her statement. Then hall claims that one of Gegares candidates took 8 hour jobs and turned them into 6 hour jobs, and hall was lying thru his teeth. The facts are at the website of Gegare over that issue and hall had approved that plan of 6 hour employee to benefit the 3 hour part-timers to offer them more security and future.
    Here is one thing you can bet on, Hoffa and hall with their super team of election experts have done a poll where the feedback is 250,000 Teamsters at UPS are looking for leadership that doesn't agree with the company, but agree's with the membership on how the contract enforcement shall be priority one, with equally protecting membership benefits. This is where Gegare and his Slate have a role in benefiting the membership at UPS and UPS Freight. It is a team made up of candidates that have traveled across this country and continue to travel to meet the members and hear the opinions and voices. Gegare and his Team are not hiding behind glossy handbills and glossy IBT magazine crap, they are out front at the gate waiting to talk to the membership and it is that personal interaction that will continue as shown by the drive of this team. Pope doesn't have a team and states she is fine to work with whoever is elected. Big role of the dice for the membership wouldn't you say?
     
  3. bigblu 2 you

    bigblu 2 you Active Member

    i dont believe hoffa can stop the numbers monster that ups has turned into.imo he has let the dog run loose to long to get the leach out.
     
  4. BCFan

    BCFan Active Member

    curious do you support the guy that hired the ba on gegare slate that had all the kiddie porn on his puter? bc
     
  5. diamondtcabover

    diamondtcabover New Member

    See, that's what wrong with being not informed and repeating something you either were told or either saw somewhere without doing your own research. That Agent isn't hired, he was elected by his peers. Her was also removed accordingly. Also when the issue surfaced, immediate action was put into motion by the elected princple officer of that local, in which the GP of IBT was notified immediately also. Was an inmorale act commited, yes without question, were responsible actions taken to be respectful towards the community and the membership of that local, yes.
     
  6. Thanksups

    Thanksups New Member

    Sandy pope everyone vote for her
     
  7. krash

    krash Go big orange

    OK, what about the other positions?
     
  8. hembone

    hembone New Member

    With some of the things she's been putting about hall. I don't see them working together very well should she win.
     
  9. bigblu 2 you

    bigblu 2 you Active Member

    imo,if you dont have your own people with you then there are a lot of motives and egos hanging on behind the scenes.do you think hall will block hoffas cell #?
     
  10. grgrcr88

    grgrcr88 No It's not green grocer!

    Why would you vote for an international president that would be at odds with everyone else that is elected with them? Could she not find anyone to run with her? If she was elected, everyone on her E-Board would be from someone else's slate, some great solidarity there?
     
  11. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

    They dont have to like each other. He would no longer be head of the package division. As I hear Sandy gets along with most of the GEB. Once the election is over people will continue to do their jobs only with different leadership. Its like a new President of the United States being elected and working with the previous Joint Chiefs of Staff and Federal Reserve Chief, etc.
     
  12. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I think the one thing that we can all agree on is that Hoffa has been ineffective and if reelected needs to step up his game big time.
     
  13. 3 done 3 to go

    3 done 3 to go In control of my own destiny

    I agree 100% with BC Fan. Thats all Hoffa does. Make a late impression. That is the liberal play book. People are gullible-Most vote with comfort of things are getting better with UPS. Guess what they aren't! They want Hoffa to win. Bet not a day after(Hoffa Wins-Pray he doesn't) numbers will be jacked up.
     
  14. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

    "Liberal playbook"?? In my book Hoffa is the conservative in this race. He is the status quo and is all talk just like the reactionaries that control congress these days. You are right people are gullible: ie the "tea party" folks.
     
  15. upsset

    upsset Member

    How could your trust and hope for the future of OUR union in the hands of some one who doesn't even have a slate to run with her. What kind of leader will she be if she can't even organize a team to run? I do believe if she were elected Sandy Pope would take our union in a new direction..............DOWNWARD!!!!!!!!!! A piecemeal IBT executive board would get eaten alive by the UPS sharks come contract time. Wake Up!!!
     
  16. EyesLookingIn

    EyesLookingIn New Member

    WOW Sorry you are so confused. The problem is Hoffa not the people running with him , Sandy knows all of the people on Hoffa's slate very well,some are good friends, most trust her more then Hoffa thats a fact. We need a Teamster President that will fight for members and not allow weak contracts to go to a vote like Hoffa does. Sandy is a Teamsters her whole adult life , Drove a truck and stood on picked lines and fought the fight. Hoffa please o yea he was a Teamster in Alaska LOL Your name has UPS in it , so if you work for UPS like I do then you know how Hoffa sold out our last 2 contracts. The last one was settled 6 months early WHY? what did we get slip raises , nothing and lets talk about the one before that UPS didn't want the contract to fall on there 100 year anniversary so they gave us a dollar. WOW big deal ...Would of been nice to use that as lavage to negociate... WE ARE UP ... I'm a Teamster with UPS for over 25 years. HOFFA NEEDS TO GO.......
     
  17. krash

    krash Go big orange

    Exactly! Our representation would suffer because of exactly what you posted. UPS would just sit back and enjoy the show.
     
  18. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

    She decided not to form a slate. She believes the problem lies with the person at the top, not the entire hierachy. There are some good people in Washington. They just need a new direction. They need an active fighter willing to be there on the front lines who will lead by example. Her record of fighting for good contracts and organizing is what our International needs. She learned from watching Ron Carey directly in the 1990s and leading her own local for the past 10 years. That is a new direction. The current direction is concessionary. Hoffa's stategy is to give speeches and talk tough, meanwhile he fails to stand up to UPS management. He lost everything we gained in the 1990s. He is nothing but a tool of UPS management. I guess the ol Hoffa name isnt scaring UPS. UPS knows that he is a weak leader who is willing to "go along, to get along". They are comfortable with him in power. A Sandy Pope will really shake things up;they no longer will be able to predict what the Teamsters will do. Its about time we throw UPS off their game!!
     
  19. BCFan

    BCFan Active Member

    Krash.... i have spoken to Sandy about her decision to run solo..she stated that she could and would be ok with the GEB , when I was in las Vegas i did get the impression that several of the current VP's would actually rather have her at the helm as opposed to hoffa the Hack BC
     
  20. upsset

    upsset Member

    I find it very hard to believe that what you claim to be a fact is indeed a fact. If the people on the Hoffa slate are such good friends of Sandy and trust her more than they trust Hoffa then why are they running on the Hoffa Slate? It would seem logical that if they feel the way you claim they do that they would rally behind Sandy and run on the Pope slate. But, since they are running with Hoffa I would have to say that even Sandy Popes close friends indorse Hoffa for Teamster President.