The UPS Defensive Driving program insists that you do everything reasonable to avoid an accident. Was it not reasonable for you to have noticed this dude was not slowing down? Did you approach the intersection, being prepared to stop, for knuckleheads like him? That is what avoidability is all about. It is not about fault - we know it was his fault - it is about Defensive Driving! It may save your life - and others - if you truly practice those methods! Do you understand now?
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Please help..freaking out..husband fired for accident
Hi,
My husband is a package driver and has been for 5 years, with the company for 8. Good record, not a troublemaker. Wednesday he was on a dirt road, had a blind spot by woods, pulled out, and was hit. he was ticketed for careless. very small accident. the person's fender was bent in and tire flat. the other driver refused a tow, pulled out the dent, changed the tire. When the supervisor (who hates everyone) got there he fired my husband on the spot. then in the meeting the next morning they said he was fired because he had a tier 3 accident......and all of a sudden the supervisor said that after everyone left the other driver needed a tow. we think he is lying and called the person to have it towed from his house just so he can fire my husband. i'm sure the Union can find out the truth right? anyway, all the union people are telling me not to worry, he will get his job back, this supervisor has been complained on over and over ( i don't think that matters) but I can't wrap my mind around "don't worry" there is a 95% chance we will get his job back.
at that particular center we know of 2 accidents much worse were the people were back driving the next day. the Union thinks they are trying to make an example of my husband just because of bad timing. Do you have any advise, words? does he have a good chance? the accident was SO MINOR and the people weren't even mad. i don't know where to turn or who to believe. HELP!
A speeding maroon running an intersection and hitting me would not impact my insurance rates, would it? In these kind of accidents, the person speeding through the intersection is always found at fault. By the police, by the insurance company, by the attorneys. But not by UPS!! UPS will blame their own employee (Avoidable!) even when everyone else blames the speeding maroon. Just because they can. There is no other reason for it. They just want to stick it to the employee.
Don't you see how this fosters the "us versus them" mentality? Don't you think we could kill the competition if it wasn't for this one little thing? It's certainly not "the cost to serve" that hinders us, it's the "us versus them". The only time "The company does stand behind you" is to stab you in the back!
Read this thread Over the past 17 yrs. I have seen several avoidable tier 3 accidents. Most of the time the driver is "fired" for anywhere from 2 days to 2 weeks depending on severity. They use the word fired to send a message to the rest of the drivers. My guess is it will turn into a suspention. Tell your husband to keep in contact with union B.A.. Good luck!
Please help..freaking out..husband fired for accident
Hi,
My husband is a package driver and has been for 5 years, with the company for 8. Good record, not a troublemaker. Wednesday he was on a dirt road, had a blind spot by woods, pulled out, and was hit. he was ticketed for careless. very small accident. the person's fender was bent in and tire flat. the other driver refused a tow, pulled out the dent, changed the tire. When the supervisor (who hates everyone) got there he fired my husband on the spot. then in the meeting the next morning they said he was fired because he had a tier 3 accident......and all of a sudden the supervisor said that after everyone left the other driver needed a tow. we think he is lying and called the person to have it towed from his house just so he can fire my husband. i'm sure the Union can find out the truth right? anyway, all the union people are telling me not to worry, he will get his job back, this supervisor has been complained on over and over ( i don't think that matters) but I can't wrap my mind around "don't worry" there is a 95% chance we will get his job back.
at that particular center we know of 2 accidents much worse were the people were back driving the next day. the Union thinks they are trying to make an example of my husband just because of bad timing. Do you have any advise, words? does he have a good chance? the accident was SO MINOR and the people weren't even mad. i don't know where to turn or who to believe. HELP!
This woman has the same license as our driver, why should our driver be held to a higher standard?
I'm not a driver so feel free to flame me if you wish, but our driver is held to a higher standard because he gets paid to drive everyday. He sits through days of driver training and listens to hours and hours of safety training. He should be set to a higher standard. I'm just playing devils advocate here. But I agree I think its b/s that he was charged for an accident while he was sitting in a parking lot. I really disagree with the way management is willing to throw a driver under the bus as far as accidents go. Makes me almost scared to want to become a driver.
I don't care what some stupid book says.
If some speeding maroon runs an intersection and hits you, YOUR COMPANY SHOULD STAND BEHIND YOU AND BACK YOU COMPLETELY!
It would cost them nothing to do this.
Instead UPS uses this "avoidable" garbage procedure just so they can needle their own employees. It's no wonder we have this HUGE "us versus them" mentality at UPS which greatly hinders our growth.
I agree 100%. I feel for the driver who had this accedent, b/c I had a similar accedent in my 2nd week at UPS, also involving a "speeding maroon". I was driving down a street in an area of the city commonly known as "the hood", when I approached an uncontrolled intersection. I checked left, right, left, saw no one and proceded through the intersection just in time to write-off a Dodge Durango which was probably travelling almost double the speed limit. Bottom line is it was classified as an avoidable accedent, and I was given an early vacation.
I have no idea why management would not stand behind their employees when they are involved in an accedent that is not thier fault, instead of selling them out. I'll be the first to admit that if I had stopped at the intersection I would have avoided an accedent, but honestly how many of you out there would stop at an uncontrolled intersection when you have the right of way, and do not see anyone coming?
You management people out there can come back and post your "unavoiable" this and "unavoidable" that garbage, but at the end of the day we all know its Grade A bologne.
great post trick, i wuz asked years ago by on road supe who saw me one afternoon doing my windows, told him to improve my 5 seeing habits HIS COMPANY TAUGHT ME told me to do it off clock absolutley not I saidScratch-
May I suggest that all the PC drivers in your building bring their own paper towels and window cleaner and right after the PCM clean their windows and mirrors to promote "space and visibility" as well as safety?
If we are to be held accountable then we have the right to equipment that is safe.
So if you had the right of way and you had come to a complete stop, then got hit from behind......would that have gotten you an "avoidable" because you stopped when you didn't have to?
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May I suggest that all the PC drivers in your building bring their own paper towels and window cleaner and right after the PCM clean their windows and mirrors to promote "space and visibility" as well as safety?
If we are to be held accountable then we have the right to equipment that is safe.