BEN CARSON: Prisons are gay factories...

[realbrown1]

Carson himself said his family wouldn't have survived without GUVMT assistance.

You didn't answer my question.

Carson was a benefactor of public assistance.

He currently disagrees with public assistance.

Square that for me, RB.





(On a side-note, let's be clear, public assistance for civilians ain't all that much...public assistance for corporations, very much mucho better!!)

You do know that I have said a 2 year maximum lifetime benefit limit for abled bodied people.
And you'd be surprised at what people are capable of to survive.
And society shouldn't have to pay (for more than 2 years) for the stupid decisions of others.

 

[BrownArmy]

You do know that I have said a 2 year maximum lifetime benefit limit for abled bodied people.
And you'd be surprised at what people are capable of to survive.
And society shouldn't have to pay (for more than 2 years) for the stupid decisions of others.

All of which is nice,

BUT DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.

No worries, sleep well, we'll do it again tomorrow.

 

[wkmac]

Why doesn't Dr. Carson speak out against stuff like this which clearly harms the African American community? To borrow a phrase from Alex Jones, when it comes to a "Prison Planet", republicans contradict themselves when it comes to the idea of a limited gov't?

If Obama has any guts left, the day before his Presidency ends, he'll issue a full pardon to every non violent drug offender in Federal custody. Sadly, I'm not holding my breath either.

 

[BrownArmy]

Maybe he'll pardon Mumia Abu Jamal.

Like you, not holding my breath.

 

[realbrown1]

All of which is nice,

BUT DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.

No worries, sleep well, we'll do it again tomorrow.

I guess you must think without governmental assistance, people would starve in the streets.
You must think that. Right?

 

[wkmac]

Maybe he'll pardon Mumia Abu Jamal.

Like you, not holding my breath.

A local community radio station would play his weekly commentaries recorded from death row (now a commuted life sentence) on Tuesday's and I often made efforts to listen as many were both thought provoking and challenged many status quo ideas. He held no punches calling out BS that needed to be called out. I mean, what could they do to him? Kill Him?

 

[BrownArmy]

I guess you must think without governmental assistance, people would starve in the streets.
You must think that. Right?

You still haven't answered my question.

 

[realbrown1]

You still haven't answered my question.

Easy, he knows permanent public assistance is morally wrong. He had no choice in the fact that his mother received public assistance. He saw first hand the shame and loss of self respect and would like to help others out of the same situation he was in.

It's too bad you don't see the evil in people spending their whole lifetime on the public assistance. Maybe it's because you either think the can do no better, or they don't deserve any better.

Either way, it makes you look sick and evil for supporting the personal subjugation to the government.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Easy, he knows permanent public assistance is morally wrong. He had no choice in the fact that his mother received public assistance. He saw first hand the shame and loss of self respect and would like to help others out of the same situation he was in.

It's too bad you don't see the evil in people spending their whole lifetime on the public assistance. Maybe it's because you either think the can do no better, or they don't deserve any better.

Either way, it makes you look sick and evil for supporting the personal subjugation to the government.

You nailed it in the first sentence. Its a damn shame that you would even have to explain it to him. Some people just don't get it. It's that liberalism that blinds them. Too much emotional cloudiness and not enough logical clarity.

 

[ch317273]

Good for you. My buddy will be back in town this weekend so I'm helping him move his mother in law. He's a marine Lt. Colonel out in San Diego. Great guy but I think a little disenchanted. Service is noble and needed and everyone should respect those who do.

Don't think for one moment though that your patriotism and service hasn't been misused and coopted by politicians and corporations for whom you mean as little as the welfare recipients you find so repulsive. If you live, you are a hometown photo-op; if you die, your grieving family is the backdrop for a congressman and a flag draped coffin.

Have you noticed how trite "thank you for your service" has come to sound? You've bled for this country. You've watched others die for this country. For board members and welfare queens, junkies and rock stars. Soccer moms and single dad's of all colors and creeds. Either all of them are worth it or none of them are worth it because we are what make America.

Just remember that you volunteered and whether people are genuinely grateful or spit in your face, this is the America you swore to defend. All of it. Fair? Probably not.

i hear ya and i just wanna clear up that i really dont find people on welfare repulsive i think that that particular area of this country is broken. i think there are people on it that need it and should get it, there are many that dont need it and are on it, who hustle the system so to speak, but whether they hustle the system or not my point i want to drive home here is that the entire system, whether people rightfully use it or not is that it has developed into a permanent solution for many on it, and thats a huge problem in my eyes, we all on this thread can go back and forth with legit points of who is on welfare that deserves it, the military families that are on it and use it legitimatly should be on it, thats what it should be there for, i the white family or the black family or the hispanic family that needs assistance and is on welfare should get it and thats that, but the problem i see is people of all shapes sizes and colors, military and non military alike the using welfare for prolonged periods of time and/or almost forever, and that depleets money from our banks accounts because someone has gotta pay, i know you didnt bring up demographic info bbsam im just ranting here to clear my stance....

 

[ch317273]

Easy, he knows permanent public assistance is morally wrong. He had no choice in the fact that his mother received public assistance. He saw first hand the shame and loss of self respect and would like to help others out of the same situation he was in.

It's too bad you don't see the evil in people spending their whole lifetime on the public assistance. Maybe it's because you either think the can do no better, or they don't deserve any better.

Either way, it makes you look sick and evil for supporting the personal subjugation to the government.

well said, the evil and wrong here is permanent public assistance, not the people who use it legitimately, because right now there is no incentive to get off, theres no one watching the cash register

 

[bbsam]

well said, the evil and wrong here is permanent public assistance, not the people who use it legitimately, because right now there is no incentive to get off, theres no one watching the cash register

I used to hold the same idea until it was boiled down to one simple question : Would I willingly trade places with someone on permanent public assistance?

 

[ImWaitingForTheDay]

I used to hold the same idea until it was boiled down to one simple question : Would I willingly trade places with someone on permanent public assistance?

Check this out ..an interesting read....And no I wouldn't ......http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-4-types-people-welfare-nobody-talks-about/

 

[wkmac]

i hear ya and i just wanna clear up that i really dont find people on welfare repulsive i think that that particular area of this country is broken.

Well said and I would agree also. Why it's broken may be the greater problem because the answers may not neatly fit into a simple narratives so popular these days.

 

[brett636]

In either case, it's disingenuous on Mssr. Carsons' part to decry the concept of 'public assistance' as some sort of 'socialist' cancer that plagues the land.

Again, chicanery.

I've never once heard him argue against public assistance, but his argument generally is that public assistance needs to be reformed from something that encourages people not to work to something that encourages people to be productive members of society. This is a general misconception liberals try to hold against conservatives is that we don't want to help people, but the truth be told we want to help people become better than they are today. If more people worked towards their true potential rather than just meeting the low standard of existence set by the government through public assistance programs this country could in fact be the envy of the world once again.

 

[wkmac]

Since we keep discussing welfare in their various forms as a result of Dr. Carson's comments, in the form of food stamps I got curious as to the numbers of people collecting and what the average benefit paid is. This data set from the USDA who administers the Food Stamp program otherwise known as SNAP covers the years 1969' to 2014' and was released this past Friday so it is the latest data.

SNAP Participation and Costs

 

[ch317273]

I used to hold the same idea until it was boiled down to one simple question : Would I willingly trade places with someone on permanent public assistance?

No I won't lie the answer for me would be no, but I do think sometimes that if I for one reason or another needed to be on some sort of assistance I know I could be pretty comfy in staying on it though, one thing I believe they did cut was the amount of time one could collect unemployment, that would be the last form of assistance we should have downsized IMO

 

[realbrown1]

I used to hold the same idea until it was boiled down to one simple question : Would I willingly trade places with someone on permanent public assistance?

What a stupid thing to post.

If you are able bodied, why would you need to be on permanent public assistance?

 

[bbsam]

No I won't lie the answer for me would be no, but I do think sometimes that if I for one reason or another needed to be on some sort of assistance I know I could be pretty comfy in staying on it though, one thing I believe they did cut was the amount of time one could collect unemployment, that would be the last form of assistance we should have downsized IMO

I doubt it. When I was in a drug treatment facility I had to file for public assistance so the center could buy my food. Sucked. Hated it. Had I had some other rock to crawl to and live under I would have. Vast majority of people don't want to be there and are happy to move on. The system, welfare or better yet the corporate/labor system is terribly flawed, but do you really think it's the recipients, the people on the bottom of the economic ladder who have the power to fix it? Or is it the companies like Fedex and Walmart who are the true culprits here?

 

[bbsam]

What a stupid thing to post.

If you are able bodied, why would you need to be on permanent public assistance?

I havery no idea. Why do you think all those welfare recipients are on it permanently? Why do those able bodied folks want so badly to be there? Personally I think they probably have serious other debilitating issues they are dealing with the best they can.