Cap and Trade

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by filthpig, Jul 23, 2009.

  1. filthpig

    filthpig Active Member

    Instead of writing letters to Congress about the RLA classification, we should be writing about Cap and Trade. If passed, this bill will ruin our economy. Read up on it.
    Oh yeah, Obama is an idiot
  2. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Eva Mendez Has A Nice (_!_)

    Short but to the point. AMEN!
  3. things2auction

    things2auction New Member

    Thank got it probably wont pass
  4. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    But this bill is all about 'carbon credits', so what if it destroys jobs and causes our economy to never recover , you have to think about just what good it does for nature.
  5. ajblakejr

    ajblakejr Age quod agis

  6. toonertoo

    toonertoo Most Awesome Dog Staff Member

    Been there done that, still doing it.

    I can only vote once, so far, but I can help stuff their mailboxes, but they dont read anything anyway. Including the things they get paid to read.
  7. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    Don't you have spell checked installed ?
  8. toonertoo

    toonertoo Most Awesome Dog Staff Member

    And he made fun of me for stupidly.
    He stupidly posted, and cant spell either.
    What school system failed aboy, aaaaaa

    Oh yeah, and I bet Ill be there long after you...................and working full time.
    Troll baby troll.
  9. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Everytime I hear the words "cap & trade" I just get a mental image of a couple of rednecks swapping John Deere caps.

    The more one reads about this whole thing the more one realizes that "cap & trade" is nothing more than the likes of big investment houses like Goldman Sachs creating a new commodity market and then companies springing up out of that to in effect take a waste product and turn that into a commodity.

    Go to google or yahoo and plug in carbon dioxide>commodity trading>goldman sachs just for starters and start searching this thing. IMHO, it ain't what it seems at all.



    What about Al Gore and does he connect anyway into this whole Goldman Sachs commodity thing? Why don't you do some searches of the British Corp. Generation Investment Management founded in 2004'. Check out the Chairman and the Senior Partner under "Team" icon on the mainpage. You'll know the chairman and the senior partner otherwise known as CEO is a former Goldman Sachs official. Did you know Hank Paulson had a direct connection to Generation Investment and that GIM holds a sizable position in both the Chicago and London Carbon Commodity Exchange boards along with Goldman Sachs? Did you know that former Enron scoundrel Ken Lay supported and helped to create a commodity trading vehicle of CO2? Follow the Money and the Connections.

    This is nothing but an economic scam that powerful people have used gov't and political position to create and gain a market advantage, many even to almost monopoly status if we dig to see it, and yet we are left to believe the MSM and various talking heads/politicos that these people and gov't are here to save us. This is just nothing but industry magnates finding a way to profit even further and raise their portfolio values all off a waste product that in the past profitted them nothing.

    As one poster said, soylent green is not to far off if the Corp State has it's way but the heads of the monster won't be dining with us for sure! That pic above has a whole lot more truth to it than we even realize.

    For the record, I'm all for micro generation of electricity from solar/wind/hydro/geothermal/whatever sources that allow the average person walk in and buy a stand alone system that generates from renewables and at the same time frees them in an economic sense from a centralized, monopoly/cartelized energy grid. Nothing is carbon free as our known world is carbon based in structure but if it's possible to gain economic/personal freedom while at the same lessening the impact of carbon dioxide potential, I'm good. Besides, IMHO as I've said before, way to many other varibles involved in the warming/cooling cycles to just stick the all in all cause on manmade carbon dioxide. But I'm all for people having free choices that would limit CO2 impact for sure!

    Henry Thoreau said: "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root!"

    Start "Striking the Root!"
  10. ajblakejr

    ajblakejr Age quod agis

    What President was elected ten years ago?

    Please recall that presidential elections occur every four years with a term limit.
  11. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    This is probably the 5 best sentences you'll ever read. This is one
    paragraph that should be in every book in every school room in every city in
    every state in our great Union. Our educators should make a lesson plan on
    this one statement and beat these words into every head in every class in
    every state in these United States of America. ............

    1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy
    out of prosperity.
    2. What one person receives without working for, another
    person must work for without receiving.
    3. The government cannot give to
    anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
    4. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because
    the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets
    the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get
    what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any
    5. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

    Adrian Rogers, 1931*
  12. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    you need to revisit the results. of 2004. If you adjust Bushs vote totals to account for the growth of the voting public then Bushs victory in 2004 was actually a bigger landslide then the great ones this past year.

    How soon we forget the pundits claiming the democratic party was destroyed and directionless after the 2004 elections.
  13. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member


    As the late Adrian Rogers said, "you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
    This man is truly a genius!

    An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
    but had once failed an entire class.
    That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
    The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".
    All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.
    After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B
    The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.
    As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
    The second test average was a D!
    No one was happy.
    When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
    The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
    All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

    Could not be any simpler than that - Please pass this on.

  14. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    I think she got it from DateHookup myself. Wait till Mr. Moreluck finds out his lovely bride is turning into a firey cougar on the prowl!

    This thing has been around for a "VERY LONG TIME" in various forms and seems someone now has taken the format and just plugged in Obama's name to fit the purpose of party politics. Truth is Obama is not that much different than what a McCain Presidency would have been except the Red State horney boys here would have been leaving pecker tracks everywhere over the Vice Cougar in Washington!


    Funny how republicans scream socialist at Obama when Washington DC under their care we got the nationalization of education (No Child Left Behind) and nationalization of prescription drugs. Like Foghorn Leghorn with large board in hand, I await the Red State yappy dogs to come forth!

    I think it most fitting that the republicans were made the Red Staters. Why don't we just call them Reds for short and be done with it!

  15. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Someone sent it to me and I just shared it.