JimJimmyJames
Big Time Feeder Driver
That would be the opening to challenge the veracity of the model.
It may all boil down to the "walks like a duck" arguement .
It may all boil down to the "walks like a duck" arguement .
When you think about it, UPS has almost the same requirements of contracting an IC in the form of the UPS store. They have to buy their store (route) wear approved UPS wear (uni's) and prices/profits are determined by a contract.
So its contradicting in a way they are opposing FDX model when in a way they practice the same.
When you think about it, UPS has almost the same requirements of contracting an IC in the form of the UPS store. They have to buy their store (route) wear approved UPS wear (uni's) and prices/profits are determined by a contract.
So its contradicting in a way they are opposing FDX model when in a way they practice the same.
When you think about it, UPS has almost the same requirements of contracting an IC in the form of the UPS store. They have to buy their store (route) wear approved UPS wear (uni's) and prices/profits are determined by a contract.
So its contradicting in a way they are opposing FDX model when in a way they practice the same.
Imagine for a moment -
The route you have been driving for years. You build it, you caress your customers with love, you build it, you know it, and you feel it is yours.
Imagine that the route, the run, the territory is in fact yours. Towns A, B, C and D? You run them. Anyone wants to send a package there, you are the one they MUST deal with. And, when you retire, you can place a value on that route, based on multiples of annual income, and you can sell it. Hell, you can hire another driver to run it while you take a cut.
Sound great? That is FedEx.
It is also the definition of what an independent contractor is.
The only people questioning the legality of FedEx's ic MODEL IS.......drum roll...... UPS and the Teamsters. The people that make the laws - you know, that define if it is legal or not? They have already said it is legal.
Only UPS and the Teamsters are muddying the waters. And that makes us look like Tonya Harding (to paraphrase from an excellent post above)
If I have to pay $100k to get a FedEx ground route here locally, the FedEx employees are not in need, nor do they want, a Union.
And that is the way I see it.
When you think about it, UPS has almost the same requirements of contracting an IC in the form of the UPS store. They have to buy their store (route) wear approved UPS wear (uni's) and prices/profits are determined by a contract.
So its contradicting in a way they are opposing FDX model when in a way they practice the same.
You are wrong. At least here, the UPS store can charge whatever they want. One situation: someone came into the customer counter and wanted to ship something to Japan. It cost $480 at the counter, and almost $3000 at the local UPS store. They are (to say the least) crooks.
OK..I'll admit it. I thought all UPS stores were uniformly priced. But you have to agree that UPS must have some sort of pricing standard they have to follow, whether they follow it or not whose to enforce it?
I wonder how UPS Store prices compare to FDX Kinko's?
True independent contractors do not have to wear uniforms, can use their vehicles for other things, and do not have time constraints placed on them. If I am wrong about these rules/constraints let me know. Thats they way I understand it.
OK..I'll admit it. I thought all UPS stores were uniformly priced. But you have to agree that UPS must have some sort of pricing standard they have to follow, whether they follow it or not whose to enforce it?
I wonder how UPS Store prices compare to FDX Kinko's?
LTD you must be a real joy come christmas and other holidays seeing that you come off as a selfish "me" orinented person. The problem with your coments in regards to Fed-Ex employees having the ability to unionize is that are completely caught up in UPS vs. Fed-Ex B.S.. If people who deliver Fed-Ex volume have low pay and zero benefits who do you think picks up the slack? Tax payers do, they dont have medical so do they just not get sick. No, we cover that to. If they dont quite make enough for rent, who covers that? We do, they dont make enough to send thier kids to college, who pays for that? We do, and the list goes on and on and on. So as a heavily taxed citizen of this country I think that companies and people like you should open up thier wallets and cover my share. However thats when people like you all of a sudden run and hide. Fed-Ex is a just another example of companies trying to pocket more profit while giveing thier employees less pay. So I guess now UPS not only has to subzidize the Post Office but Fed-Ex as well. So maybe you can answer me,why it is Fed-Ex cant compete on the same level as UPS LTD?
Good post - but with all due respect, you are in fact wrong.
An independent contractor may in fact have more restrictions placed on them than an employee.
To be hired as an independent contractor, all of the requirements are up-front. You will deliver between this and this time. You will wear a uniform. You will not disclose proprietary information, and you will not also operate a competing business. All these requirements are specifics required by the company contracting the independent. If you agree with the terms, you try to get the contract. If you don't like the terms, you don't go for it. Very simple.
As an aside, I would almost guarantee you there is nowhere in the contract that says an independent contractor cannot use his truck for whatever he wants. What I would bet on, however, is that the contract has two separate items such as the following;
1. All vehicles will be of model year XX and newer, white, and have FedEx logos XYZ placed permanently on the exterior.
2. The FedEx logo may only be used in the commission of FedEx work.
Or something like that.
No, I will not agree. UPS stores, at least in this area, are held to no pricing contracts or obligations. Only customer counter and UPS-affiliated services are held to UPS pricing guidelines.
Could it be different elsewhere? Sure. I'm only speaking from experience. I doubt it though.
However, good luck finding out for sure if UPS Stores are allowed to charge whatever they want when you ask them- I'm sure they don't advertise that or admit it! They are generally, like I said, crooks.
Good information.
Don't beat up on any of us too bad for using the term "model". It is only used for lack of a better word.
I think "independent" as in independent contractor should be the focus of our attention. Because the definition of independent is at the heart of this arguement.
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