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Fighting4yourRights
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All right, you bring up an excellant point. I want you to try to go an entire day without mentioning your partner (presumably a wife or girlfriend). Try to not discuss anything about this person, or your children, or anything that might signal your sexual identity. That means no talk of plans for the weekend, no talk about last weekend. If you do talk about plans, try to keep it gender neutral. If you slip up, and flaunt your sexual identity, it's okay. It's hard to hide this central part of who you are.
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Fighting4yourRights
Heavy Weight
Remember - hush hush. 2 way street logic at work here...
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
There is a difference.
I dont make it a point to push my sexual preference out front when I introduce myself. Many gay people do. Its a form of political activism. And that is alright by me usually, but it seems that the gay group is so one dimentional. You remove the sexual focus from your identity, and guess what?..... you are just like everybody else.
So I would guess that since you want to be different and stand out, that is the claim to fame? Sorry, not impressed.
I dont have a problem with talking about my significant other without it being in sexual terms only. Try it some time. Talk about your friend with out refering to your relationship as gay or homosexual. Then you will be in the same boat as me.
But again, that is the point with you, isnt it? To make a production on the gay relationship?
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I dont make it a point to push my sexual preference out front when I introduce myself. Many gay people do. Its a form of political activism. And that is alright by me usually, but it seems that the gay group is so one dimentional. You remove the sexual focus from your identity, and guess what?..... you are just like everybody else.
So I would guess that since you want to be different and stand out, that is the claim to fame? Sorry, not impressed.
I dont have a problem with talking about my significant other without it being in sexual terms only. Try it some time. Talk about your friend with out refering to your relationship as gay or homosexual. Then you will be in the same boat as me.
But again, that is the point with you, isnt it? To make a production on the gay relationship?
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satellitedriver
Moderator
I think, the key point is when you say;
"If you slip up, and flaunt your sexual identity."
Flaunt is the key word in your missive, and shows circular argument and logic.
[a two way street with a roundabout in the middle of the intersection]
Fighting4yourRights
Heavy Weight
SateliiteD, Can you provide more information? I am trying to find how there is circular logic. To me, most gay people who say anything about a relationship are harshly criticized for flaunting it. In the meantime, I will provide parallelism in my logic through an example.
Flaunt - to parade or display oneself conspicuously, defiantly, or boldly.
Displaying wedding pictures on your desk or in your wallet - isn't that a form of flaunting? What about talking about children? If a straight man says, my girlfriend and I are going on a romantic trip to the mountains. We plan to fish, cuddle by the fire and take long walks through the woods.
Is this flaunting? Not really. Primarily because straight relationships are normalized and gay ones are pathologized.
This same logic applied to a Gay man -
My boyfriend and I are going on a romantic trip to the mountains. We plan to fish, cuddle by the fire and take long walks through the woods.
Wouldn't this be viewed as flaunting?
And, yes, Dannyboy, there are some gay folks who are more persistent in their language - but then again, there are some straight folks who are equally graphic about their relationships. There is great diversity in people and all gay people don't necessarily flaunt graphic sexual relationships. No matter what the media would like you to believe. Just as all straight people don't do this or do that. I believe there are mostly good folks in this world - once in a while we meet someone who just doesn't get it; at least not yet.
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UPS Lifer
Well-Known Member
How did a thread on Motivation get turned into a thread on Gay Rights????
I had to go back to this post to see where it started????
Now I am asking WHY???? What prompted you to bring up "Don't ask don't tell"? I am seriously confused on this one! ?? !
Fighting4yourRights
Heavy Weight
Me thinks Dannygirl,boy,it doesn't know how to respond to my point and sos is attacking fighting 4 her rights.
How second grade
How second grade
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
Are you really that stupid, or just dense. The point is, you changed the subject matter of this thread with your petty little rant on dont ask, dont tell. That is juvenile to the extreme.
Tell you what, go read all my posts here on the cafe. Try and find where I posted even once about sexuality, my personal preference, my wife, etc, when the subject was something else.
You are the one with the agenda. You are the one that changed the thread on fish to your crusade on homosexual rights. But like most in your situation, you try and change the field, and I am the childish one?
As you said, how childish!
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Tell you what, go read all my posts here on the cafe. Try and find where I posted even once about sexuality, my personal preference, my wife, etc, when the subject was something else.
You are the one with the agenda. You are the one that changed the thread on fish to your crusade on homosexual rights. But like most in your situation, you try and change the field, and I am the childish one?
As you said, how childish!
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satellitedriver
Moderator
Using a negative, to prove a positive is against straight line logic.
You used the term two way street logic, in an earlier post, and provided no info on what basis of logic you based your opinion on.
If you didn't catch the play on words of my post, well sorry about that.
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trplnkl
555
I agree with Lifer. How the heck did " Don't ask, don't tell" even get into this thread? That may be the biggest point of Danny and SatD. Fighting4yourRights, I could care less of your sexual orientation, it does not effect me in any way. Your thoughts on motivation might be interesting if it had something to do with a personal success with your UPS career, but I fail to see where your sexuality has the same interest. If you were to post that you and your girlfriend were going to the lake...blah blah blah, I doubt there would be backlash from other posters. I have read posts from guys on here indicating that they were in fact gay and didn't see replies that were out line. When you turn it into a forum to get your message across, the whole tone changes.
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
Can I add one thing to the above post.
You being gay does not mean a thing to me. I see you as a person, a human just like anyone else. That is what I see (well sort of on the net)
But it is when your biggest claim to life is your being gay, or seeking "gay equality" that I find offensive. But when you want to hijack posts to further your agenda, well that is when you are more than a bit tacky.
And that is the reason for my post on sensitivity. You want it, well to get it, you have to show it. You want respect?....well show some.
You want your threads on your "dont ask dont tell" agenda to not get hijacked, then dont hijack someone elses.
Its just that simple. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
Speaking of childish things, you should have learned that when?
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You being gay does not mean a thing to me. I see you as a person, a human just like anyone else. That is what I see (well sort of on the net)
But it is when your biggest claim to life is your being gay, or seeking "gay equality" that I find offensive. But when you want to hijack posts to further your agenda, well that is when you are more than a bit tacky.
And that is the reason for my post on sensitivity. You want it, well to get it, you have to show it. You want respect?....well show some.
You want your threads on your "dont ask dont tell" agenda to not get hijacked, then dont hijack someone elses.
Its just that simple. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
Speaking of childish things, you should have learned that when?
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Fighting4yourRights
Heavy Weight
Seriously, no need to get too upset. The thread was over 2 years old; it asked how management can find ways to be more supportive and inspirational. I jokingly discussed a policy that is part of the culture of the military and applied it to UPS - it was rather obvious (at least to me) as my last line said "UPS does have a "don't ask, don't tell policy, right?"
Obviously there is no such policy at UPS. And, of course, someone had to start venting and making it an issue. To which I responded (bad Lynda, bad). The truth is I am more than one dimensional, I am super cool, too. Most of my friends think so. But, the sad fact remains, even in 2008, there still isn't a place at the table for all of us - evident by calling me an "it". C'mon - that was totally lame. But I did it back - (Bad Lynda, Bad).
The 'don't ask don't tell' policy is totally ridiculous but that is another conversation for another day. So, dannyboy, go back to speaking about what you're good at - the things that make life enjoyable for you at UPS and elsewhere. I enjoyed parts of the dialouge between us; and by all means, post some concerns under my irrelavant and obnoxious thread 'life after brown' it would be good to have you on the show.
Obviously there is no such policy at UPS. And, of course, someone had to start venting and making it an issue. To which I responded (bad Lynda, bad). The truth is I am more than one dimensional, I am super cool, too. Most of my friends think so. But, the sad fact remains, even in 2008, there still isn't a place at the table for all of us - evident by calling me an "it". C'mon - that was totally lame. But I did it back - (Bad Lynda, Bad).
The 'don't ask don't tell' policy is totally ridiculous but that is another conversation for another day. So, dannyboy, go back to speaking about what you're good at - the things that make life enjoyable for you at UPS and elsewhere. I enjoyed parts of the dialouge between us; and by all means, post some concerns under my irrelavant and obnoxious thread 'life after brown' it would be good to have you on the show.
Fighting4yourRights
Heavy Weight
I try to avoid using straight logic in my arguments - it's the way God intended things to be.
Kiss kiss, you big sexy man.
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