Fuel Prices

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by But Benefits Are Great!, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. But Benefits Are Great!

    But Benefits Are Great! Just Words On A Screen

    Fuel Costs were up horrendously for the 1st qtr
    Fuel 1st Qtr 2007 - $616,000,000
    Fuel 1st Qtr 2008 - $950,000,000
     
  2. feeder53

    feeder53 ADKtrails

    Everyone that uses fuel is affected, and UPS will be one of them. But UPS and all the other package Delivery services will pay the same price.....UPS has the history, reputation and lets hope leadership to pull ahead of the pack
     
  3. Fnix

    Fnix Active Member

    Fuel 1st Qtr 1987 - $16,000,000
    Fuel 1st Qtr 2018 - $1,950,000,000
     
  4. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Fuel 1st Qtr 2018 - Zero

    Why? UPS will have converted its entire fleet to hydrogen, which has zero emission exhaust (water) and has advanced the technology to the point where each vehicle regenerates its own fuel source throughout the day, which means that each vehicle would only need an initial fill and then would be self-sufficient.
     
  5. But Benefits Are Great!

    But Benefits Are Great! Just Words On A Screen


    ...groan... That's, uh, not how it works.

    The energy needed to seperate water into its' common elements is more than the energy produced by combining (burning) them. Physics, conservation of energy. No such thing as a car that runs on water.
     
  6. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    BBAG, read the entire post then reply.

    I said that the vehicles would run on HYDROGEN, whose exhaust is water. The rest was just science fiction stuff I was making up as I was typing but that sounded good.
     
  7. But Benefits Are Great!

    But Benefits Are Great! Just Words On A Screen

    Oh... Nevermind..
     
  8. hseofpayne

    hseofpayne Guest




    You're right, just ask ole Teddy Kennedy!
     
  9. helenofcalifornia

    helenofcalifornia Well-Known Member

    Is a hydrogen car anywhere near in the future?
     
  10. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Less than 5 years from what I have read. Only problem will be the refueling stations, or lack of.
     
  11. But Benefits Are Great!

    But Benefits Are Great! Just Words On A Screen

    Hydrogen will (eventually) be used in fuel cells, which generate electricity, which will run electric hub-motors.. It will never be used to burn in an engine like gasoline is today.

    Fuel cells are too expensive. The technology is there now, just no hydrogen infrastructure, plus the cells are more expensive than plutonium.
     
  12. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    BBAG, you may want to research the topic a bit more before you reply. A hydrogen prototype has been developed and is being tested and optimistic predictions put intial production and availability at 5 yrs, probably closer to 10.
     
  13. New Englander

    New Englander New Member

    Are you telling me I won't need to pee in a bottle anymore!
     
  14. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Not unless you really, true want to then, by all means, piss away!!
     
  15. pkg-king

    pkg-king New Member

    Rumor has it we're presently testing a feeder that runs on hydrogen, I'm not at liberty to say where.
     
  16. Mike Hawk

    Mike Hawk New Member

    So how is hydrogen gathered for mass fuel uses? BBAG brought up a good point it takes a lot of energy to separate hydrogen from water, if those plants were fueled by oil, well that wouldn't help us much.
     
  17. hseofpayne

    hseofpayne Guest

     
  18. Coldworld

    Coldworld Well-Known Member

    how about horse and buggy, like on that "carless" island somewhere. How about golfcarts pulling little carts behind them for the tight residential deliveries. Is a battery powered package car so futuristic? What makes this technology so hard to apply?
     
  19. But Benefits Are Great!

    But Benefits Are Great! Just Words On A Screen

    Using hydrogen will not save money - it is horrendously more expensive to produce, store, transport, than oil. It is "Green", no pollution for the end user, which gives all the environmentalists woodies.

    Electrolysis, which takes electricity. Lots of it.
     
  20. Mike Hawk

    Mike Hawk New Member

    If only we could mine He3 from space...