Sheesh! What a thread. I should be in bed instead of reading it, much less responding.
This is going to be a bit scattershot as I just finished a thirteen hour day at UPS (and even though I was not over allowed, boy is my boss going to hear about it from his boss, they don't like it when anyone goes over 11 hours.)
While I don't agree that the passionate speaking (easy guy
, (by the way, is there a legend for what all these smiley face icons are supposed to insinuate.
)deliver man is a
fence post, I would be a bit embarrassed to continue an arguement with him after making that statement
as it seems to make a self inference of an emotional (perhaps phsycological) state. Trying for lightness here...
I don't support the union on many political issues, but using that as the reason for not paying union dues is just more rationalizing. Don't contribute to DRIVE if you don't support all their PIs. I don't.
Regardless of the current problems with the rehire issue of the Central States Pension Fund the pension is still a decent one that you <u>do not</u> get from our non-union competitors.
I find it amusing that some people view anyone that does not share their view does not understand the issue be it economic situation or 1st Amendment rights.
When a person states they have nothing against the union when every other statement made by them is anti-union, it comes across kinda disingenuous to me. Now delivery man would probably call it lying.
Plenty of companies exist with happy employees without a union.
UPS would not be one of them . . .
I don't have any problem with people leaving the IBT. It happens all the time (especially with part timers) and I always wish them well.
What I have a problem with is freeloaders that don't leave UPS at the same time, but keep the union negotiated wages and other benefits.
I have nothing but respect (don't agree, but respect) for someone who
truly is not in the union on principals (this is extremely rare, most are just freeloaders using that as their excuse) From the little exposure I have had to the posts of my2cents I lean towards the probability that you are probably in that respectable minority.
I do not respect (perhaps sympathize, but not respect) someone who is not willing to pay his way. I suppose most part timers are independently wealthy and just pay their union dues because they are not sure how to invest it otherwise.
The union negotiated part timer's eighty five cent raise would easily pay the monthly union dues with money left over.
While I agree that the fact that the starting wage for part timers has remained frozen since 1982 sucks it doesn't have anything to do with this contractual raise.
All those down or near the bottom of the current UPS wage scale thought it was enough along with the other benefits when they hired in or they would not be here.
Now my math says where I work a 75 cent raise for a driver is a 3% raise and for the 6 year contract it would be a 21% raise.
For a part timer the
85 cent first year raise on a 8.50 dollar wage is a 10 percent increase and $6 over 6 would be a 70% increase.
Seems like the current part timer made out much better in improvements than did the full timer.
Staying with the company gets you the bigger and bigger wage through union negotiated raises.
I started part time with UPS in 1973 at 3.51 I believe. It took me twenty nine years to attain the lofty wage I now make.
Anyone who thinks 10% and 70% raise increases is being "low balled" is going to go through life
really disappointed.
I like Retired's calculator better for the simplistic purpose it was put to. I see I could have 6428570465.068 if I invested that same 19 bucks at 50% interest.
So?
Can you guarantee 8%?
There was recently a joke going around about $1000 invested in Enron, Worldcom, Global Communications or beer a year ago. I can't remember the exact stats, but I know the beer return deposits led to a moral you would not want to pass on to the kids.
my2cents,
Please be careful out on the route. I know you are extending your breaks to be able to get all that reading in.
deliver man,
look out it's a trap!
upslocal480,
Actually this post started with a statement, not a question . . .
I wish your finances improve quickly so we can have such an emotionally passionate pro union employee back as a contributing member.
PS - this thing got a spell checker for the tired?
(Message edited by ok2bclever on September 27, 2002)
