Looking Again At Right to Work

[wkmac]

The Indiana legislature recently approved a “right to work” law, the 23rd of its kind in the United States.
A “union shop” agreement between an employer and a union commits the employer to ensuring that new hires join the union within a specified period. Right-to-work laws ban union-shop agreements.
Let’s put it another way: They violate freedom of contract.
If employers choose to conclude union-shop contracts with unions, what gives the Indiana legislature the right to interfere?
Employers own the wages they will pay and the sites where work will be performed under such contracts. So it’s their right to dispense the wages and make the sites available specifically to union members, just as it’s their right, more generally, to trade with anyone they choose.
When a legislature interferes with voluntary employment contracts, it infringes people’s freedom to bargain with their own labor and possessions. Treating this kind of interference as acceptable means licensing arbitrary interventions into the market by politicians, who are ill-equipped to second-guess the decisions made by the real people making work agreements with one another.

What's Wrong With Right-To-Work

 

[Astispumanti]

It gives the part timer barely making $200 a week the choice to join or not. When they have to give $20 out of that check to the greedy Union, that makes it where they don't even bring home minimum wage at the end of the week. Call me a scab, I don't care-I'm in a RTW state and have no plan on joining a Union that does not care about the part-timer. In this economy where you are lucky to find a job, I'm not giving any money away to anyone else. I work two jobs and my husband is self-employed, we make it, we live comfortably, but if I was to loose that money each week, that's less money to go towards important bills. Maybe things will change when the economy gets better, but for now I am all about the RTW-hopefully it will make the Unions wake up and see how greedy they are and change.

 

[menotyou]

So, you think it's ok to be like a generational welfare recipient that feels society owes them something? Because that is what it equates to.

 

[brown_trousers]

So, you think it's ok to be like a generational welfare recipient that feels society owes them something? Because that is what it equates to.

AKA.. socialism. And it seems to be the way this country is headed.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

It gives the part timer barely making $200 a week the choice to join or not. When they have to give $20 out of that check to the greedy Union, that makes it where they don't even bring home minimum wage at the end of the week. Call me a scab, I don't care-I'm in a RTW state and have no plan on joining a Union that does not care about the part-timer. In this economy where you are lucky to find a job, I'm not giving any money away to anyone else. I work two jobs and my husband is self-employed, we make it, we live comfortably, but if I was to loose that money each week, that's less money to go towards important bills. Maybe things will change when the economy gets better, but for now I am all about the RTW-hopefully it will make the Unions wake up and see how greedy they are and change.

Who provides the health benefits?

 

[menotyou]

AKA.. socialism. And it seems to be the way this country is headed.

My point to the poster is, he is getting a free ride on the backs of the employees who pay those union officials to negotiate those contract they enjoy the benefits of. If they want to let the union go, by all means, be my guest. But, do it completely, not half-assed.

 

[brown_trousers]

My point to the poster is, he is getting a free ride on the backs of the employees who pay those union officials to negotiate those contract they enjoy the benefits of. If they want to let the union go, by all means, be my guest. But, do it completely, not half-assed.

agreed, but unfortunately, freeloading seems to be the inevitable direction and future of this country, it only makes sense that it would make its way into UPS.

Everyone nowadays seems to think they should be able to ride on the backs of other, in fact its more than that, they feel entitled to it like they have somehow earned the right to take more than they have earned, ie.. welfare, obamacare, RTW, etc..

 

[bbsam]

It goes further than you realize. People view the kind of union pay and benefits that you earn as pretty close to socialism. The great big BC--the Brown Commune. "Each according to his ability (by telematics), each according to his need (benefits)" All of that taking away from the ability to compete (load of BS).

 

[jtttntnt1]

there are many part-timers who believe also they can slack and get away with it because the union is there and they will not loose there job its hard for the part-timers who actually show up and work hard to wanna pay dues to something that is allowing people to have a free ride pay check also. I see both points yes the union gets us great benefits, but also keeps people around who don't deserve them

 

[OptimusPrime]

Republicans, so hilarious. We need smaller government. Well unless it includes us sticking our noses into union busting, who can marry who, trying to police pornography, drugs, movies, music, etc, and also making all kinds of tax loopholes for their corporate backers. But besides that, they love them some "small government".

 

[whiskers]

I am a part-timer in a RTW state that chose to be union. There was not an initiation fee, and my dues are only $5 a week, but that's not the point. I would still be in if i had to pay an initiation fee and higher dues.

 

[wkmac]

Republicans, so hilarious. We need smaller government. Well unless it includes us sticking our noses into union busting, who can marry who, trying to police pornography, drugs, movies, music, etc, and also making all kinds of tax loopholes for their corporate backers. But besides that, they love them some "small government".

In every republican administration or republican controlled Congress, gov't has grown to ever higher and intrusive levels. Small gov't talk from these charlatans is nothing more than the con man out to swindle his victim. But then in the republican's defense, they aren't the only swindlers out conning the public either!

Federal labor law was written by the bosses in order to make labor a managed and planned asset. Labor's first step back to power would be to abandon groveling at the feet of the state which the captains of capital own anyway and begin to reject corporatist labor law and return to pre-Wagner unionism.

 

[Astispumanti]

As much as you all go on about Pro Union-If you were a part timer just starting out trying to pay bills and make some sort of money in this horrid economy and did not have the bias about the company you do now-would you join the Union if you had a choice. You will probably say you would but I guarantee you most of you would not. Not only is it expensive, but

there are many part-timers who believe also they can slack and get away with it because the union is there and they will not loose there job its hard for the part-timers who actually show up and work hard to wanna pay dues to something that is allowing people to have a free ride pay check also. I see both points yes the union gets us great benefits, but also keeps people around who don't deserve them

I totally agree with this quote. I see it on a daily basis. People who only work enough days to keep their benefits, lazy employees that don't do more than 150 PPH and know you can't do anything about it. It also gives the people who have been there forever the false assumption that they don't have to do their job because they can just be backed by the Union. I love that I am in a RTW state, if I had to join the Union I probably would not work here. That's my choice, deal with it.

 

[menotyou]

As much as you all go on about Pro Union-If you were a part timer just starting out trying to pay bills and make some sort of money in this horrid economy and did not have the bias about the company you do now-would you join the Union if you had a choice. You will probably say you would but I guarantee you most of you would not. Not only is it expensive, but

I totally agree with this quote. I see it on a daily basis. People who only work enough days to keep their benefits, lazy employees that don't do more than 150 PPH and know you can't do anything about it. It also gives the people who have been there forever the false assumption that they don't have to do their job because they can just be backed by the Union. I love that I am in a RTW state, if I had to join the Union I probably would not work here. That's my choice, deal with it.

Troll.

 

[brown_trousers]

In every republican administration or republican controlled Congress, gov't has grown to ever higher and intrusive levels. Small gov't talk from these charlatans is nothing more than the con man out to swindle his victim. But then in the republican's defense, they aren't the only swindlers out conning the public either!

Federal labor law was written by the bosses in order to make labor a managed and planned asset. Labor's first step back to power would be to abandon groveling at the feet of the state which the captains of capital own anyway and begin to reject corporatist labor law and return to pre-Wagner unionism.

goverment grows no matter republican or democrat. Since the very beginning in 1776 till now, it never gets smaller, only bigger.

 

[bbsam]

goverment grows no matter republican or democrat. Since the very beginning in 1776 till now, it never gets smaller, only bigger.

Interesting. Imagine a government that next year shrank to pre-Civil War size. In wk's mind that would probably be wonderful. I think there is an idea that eventually, after a time (possibly bloody), things would smooth out with people figuring out that we have to get along to survive. I don't think I have that same optimism. We are staring at a massive economic melt-down that would be easily averted, but we can't bring ourselves to accept that it is going to take both increased revenue (tax increases) and entitlement cuts (medicare/medicaid/SS). Oh, we can admit it. All we have to do is look at the numbers. But to truly accept these simple facts would mean that we (through our representatives and senators) would have live differently. Our best bet, I think, is to make the government we have work and for that to happen, quite simply, it has to be massive.

 

[Astispumanti]

Nope, just someone who is ready for the Union to grow up!

 

[whiskers]

Nope, just someone who is ready for the Union to grow up!

Paid vacations, sick days, increased pay for overtime, insurance, relief periods, weekends, If you enjoy any of these things you have UNIONs to thank.

 

[menotyou]

Nope, just someone who is ready for the Union to grow up!

Who is the one expecting things to be handed to him like a 10 year old?

 

[iruhnman630]

Who provides the health benefits?

The employer, who is free to compensate their non-union employee as the company sees fit, whether that be more or equal to what the union employees receive, or less in which case the decision to accept less or choose another direction rightfully belongs to the employee.


As it should be.