Old Trucks vs New trucks

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by clean hairy, Oct 18, 2014.

  1. clean hairy

    clean hairy Well-Known Member

    So, we know the oldies with 6 cyl engines would run forever so it seemed.
    What was the most miles an old timer driver went before their 6 cyl truck went into the shop for engine issues, compared to the newer trucks?
     
  2. MassWineGuy

    MassWineGuy Active Member

    UPS has some of the worst trucks on the road. Transmissions from hell.
     
  3. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    And consider how hard and fast they had to be run to make power. Newer engines, gas or diesel, spin at 2/3 the speed of the old engines.
     
  4. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    The 4.3 GMs got right around 100k per engine, usually less.
     
  5. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Just another internet hooligan.

    In your extensive experience, how did you come to this conclusion?
     
  6. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    The diesels are a huge POS. They are only ordering gas models at my center now.
     
  7. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    It is because of the cost of engine replacement and the price of diesel fuel. 1/10th the cost to replace a gas engine.
     
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  8. brostalss

    brostalss Active Member

    Waiting for my new engine to be put in my P12

    6.0L heavy duty GM Silverado truck engine.

    Back in June a utility driver threw two rods. One out each side of the oil pan. Glad I was off that week.
     
  9. youllbefine

    youllbefine Active Member

    You are 100 percent correct! It has nothing to do with quality... Just how much they can save in the end
     
  10. Bottom rung

    Bottom rung Active Member

    New diesel engines have too many federally mandated emissions systems that fail and require constant maintenance. They also have horrible fuel mileage now, due to the emissions systems.
     
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  11. 1080Driver

    1080Driver Member

    The original 4.3 in my 1990 P1000 went before it hit 50K
     
  12. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    I remember when UPS was replacing the 292 straight 6 GMC engines with that 4.3 V-6. The 4.3 had more power but not durable enough. Those old 292's were slower than molasses but would run almost forever.
     
  13. upsbeernut

    upsbeernut Sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes i dont.

    Had my freightliner (700)since it had 30 miles and now i think im up to 85000 roughly. Fast , been in the shop maybe 10 times for various small things an probably 2 road calls. Its a diesel and compared to the pos hybrid, i wouldnt want one. I think their hybrid was a waste of money only to please the publics environmental eye.
     
  14. joeboodog

    joeboodog good people drink good beer

    The old 800's could plow snow while 700's will get stuck if there is snow in the forecast.
     
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  15. 1BROWNWRENCH

    1BROWNWRENCH Amatuer Malthusian

    Much less. 50 to 80k is pretty typical. V8's would have lasted much longer.
     
  16. 1BROWNWRENCH

    1BROWNWRENCH Amatuer Malthusian

    A reman VT365 is about $12k and a 6.0 Chevy is about $3k, with about equal life spans and about a third the down time for the Chevy and better performance in general.
     
  17. 1BROWNWRENCH

    1BROWNWRENCH Amatuer Malthusian

    No worse than any other. They all get built by the same manufacturers.
     
  18. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    I was thinking the replacement costs for the 4.3 (even though we don't use them anymore) was around $1500.
     
  19. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Had an old 500 that rolled over a million miles one day I had it. I can only imagine how many miles that thing had put in it.
     
  20. 1BROWNWRENCH

    1BROWNWRENCH Amatuer Malthusian

    Reman 4.3s were just under $2k about 5 years ago.