One Solution To The Gay Marriage Issue

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[soberups]

The Supreme Court did not decide that "everyone must perform gay marriages."

It decided that states and the federal government cannot prohibit gay marriage.

Churches are still free to decide for themselves whether or not they wish to sanction gay marriages, and there is no shortage of churches that are willing to do so.

 

[Babagounj]

Gay marriage is legal but not on tribal lands


FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. (AP) -- Cleo Pablo married her longtime partner when gay weddings became legal in Arizona and looked forward to the day when her wife and their children could move into her home in the small Native American community outside Phoenix where she grew up.

That day never came. The Ak-Chin Indian Community doesn't recognize same-sex marriages and has a law that prohibits unmarried couples from living together. So Pablo voluntarily gave up her tribal home and now is suing the tribe in tribal court to have her marriage validated.

Pablo's situation reflects an overlooked story line following the U.S. Supreme Court's historic decision this year that legalized gay marriages nationwide: American Indian reservations are not bound by the decision and many continue to forbid gay marriages and deny insurance and other benefits.

Advocacy groups largely have stayed away from pushing tribes for change, recognizing that tribes have the inherent right to regulate domestic relations within their boundaries.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Gay marriage is legal but not on tribal lands


FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. (AP) -- Cleo Pablo married her longtime partner when gay weddings became legal in Arizona and looked forward to the day when her wife and their children could move into her home in the small Native American community outside Phoenix where she grew up.

That day never came. The Ak-Chin Indian Community doesn't recognize same-sex marriages and has a law that prohibits unmarried couples from living together. So Pablo voluntarily gave up her tribal home and now is suing the tribe in tribal court to have her marriage validated.

Pablo's situation reflects an overlooked story line following the U.S. Supreme Court's historic decision this year that legalized gay marriages nationwide: American Indian reservations are not bound by the decision and many continue to forbid gay marriages and deny insurance and other benefits.

Advocacy groups largely have stayed away from pushing tribes for change, recognizing that tribes have the inherent right to regulate domestic relations within their boundaries.

And your point is?

 

[Babagounj]

The left has been stating that gay marriages are The Law of the Land ( you know like settled science ) , but it's not true .

 

[MAKAVELI]

The left has been stating that gay marriages are The Law of the Land ( you know like settled science ) , but it's not true .

You do know that the Native American tribes are considered sovereign nations?

 

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[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

You do know that the Native American tribes are considered sovereign nations?

Then why do they rely on government assistance for their survival?

 

[MAKAVELI]

Then why do they rely on government assistance for their survival?

Because they are also US citizens.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Because they are also US citizens.

So they get to pick and choose what laws they want to follow?

 

[MAKAVELI]

So they get to pick and choose what laws they want to follow?

It's a little more complicated than that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty_in_the_United_States

 

[bottomups]

So they get to pick and choose what laws they want to follow?

We took their land, language, religion and culture and stuck them on reservations. Some are now fighting back to restore some of the rights taken from them.
In Wisconsin, most have gained hunting, fishing and gathering rights granted to them by treaties signed in their ceded territories.
All run casinos and are looking into growing marijuana & hemp to supplement their incomes. Government assistance has declined sharply here as they become more self sufficient.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

We took their land, language, religion and culture and stuck them on reservations.

We gave them cigarettes and bingo. Fair trade?

 

[newfie]

The Supreme Court did not decide that "everyone must perform gay marriages."

It decided that states and the federal government cannot prohibit gay marriage.

Churches are still free to decide for themselves whether or not they wish to sanction gay marriages, and there is no shortage of churches that are willing to do so.

the point would still be a good one. Since a particular bakery in your neck of the woods is being targeted why are mosques not being forced to do the same.

I don't think a moslem couple would be crazy about being married in a Christian ( ugh) church

 

[tourists24]

It decided that states and the federal government cannot prohibit gay marriage.

Churches are still free to decide for themselves whether or not they wish to sanction gay marriages

For now....

 

[Packmule]

We took their land, language, religion and culture and stuck them on reservations. Some are now fighting back to restore some of the rights taken from them.
In Wisconsin, most have gained hunting, fishing and gathering rights granted to them by treaties signed in their ceded territories.
All run casinos and are looking into growing marijuana & hemp to supplement their incomes. Government assistance has declined sharply here as they become more self sufficient.

I don't think I've ever lived anywhere that didn't have a significant Native American population. I can also say that I have developed a deep respect for the culture and beauty they bring to our nation. Sadly though, they have never fully integrated into the American dream, largely because of reservations, tribal governments and welfare dollars.
As to the history, true, it wasn't a very pretty picture. But does anybody ever stop to ask "what if"? What if the Chinese, Russia or Arabic people had arrived here instead of White Europeans? Would any other people tried to convert them and educate them? Or just exterminate them entirely?
And what if no one ever came here? To be sure, Native Americans in those days were determined to remain a very primative people compared to others who were industrializing fast as possible.
Kind of like Syrians. And Afghanistan. People who have been engaged in civil wars for centuries.
Looking at the big picture, the greatest crime committed against Native Americans is the creation of a nation within a nation.
And no. If a Christian bakery can't refuse to make a cake for a same sex wedding, reservations shouldn't be able to disregard gay marriage.
All or nothing. You're an American or you're not.

 

[newfie]

We took their land, language, religion and culture and stuck them on reservations. Some are now fighting back to restore some of the rights taken from them.
In Wisconsin, most have gained hunting, fishing and gathering rights granted to them by treaties signed in their ceded territories.
All run casinos and are looking into growing marijuana & hemp to supplement their incomes. Government assistance has declined sharply here as they become more self sufficient.

Any idea who the tenants that were here when we arrived took the land from?