President Obama!

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
The right of the people to keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed.

Background checks are an infringement, and therefore unconstitutional.

Having to apply to get a concealed weapons permit is an infringement, and therefore unconstitutional.

Not being able to open carry everywhere is an infringement, and therefore unconstitutional.

In my opinion.
So in your opinion, someone who has been convicted of a violent crime or diagnosed with a mental illness with violent tendencies should be able to walk into a gun store and walk out with an arsenal, no questions asked and no infringement on their 2nd AMENDMENT?
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
So in your opinion, someone who has been convicted of a violent crime or diagnosed with a mental illness with violent tendencies should be able to walk into a gun store and walk out with an arsenal, no questions asked and no infringement on their 2nd AMENDMENT?
If everyone was allowed to be armed in public, this wouldn't be much of a problem.

In fact, it would probably end with the mentally ill person or criminal dead.

End of problem.
 

bottomups

Bad Moon Risen'
The right of the people to keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed.

Background checks are an infringement, and therefore unconstitutional.

Having to apply to get a concealed weapons permit is an infringement, and therefore unconstitutional.

Not being able to open carry everywhere is an infringement, and therefore unconstitutional.

In my opinion.
Does the Constitution then allow me to own a thermonuclear weapon?
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
Criminal have nothing to fear , so obama's fear is directed at law abiding citizens .

yea loved that tear act yesterday. I don't get it. Most of the liberals here are nasty folks yet theres Obama doing that soft in the head routine in a press conference. if he was really that emotionally out of control then he may be a candidate for mental evaluation.
 

The Other Side

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The right of the people to keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed.


In my opinion.


here we go again by making a sentence out of fragments to change the meaning of the second amendments.

YOU do realize there is a COMMA in between " the right of the people to keep and bear arms" , "shall not be infringed"..... RIGHT?

You, like every other gun owner in this country, make a STAND ALONE sentence to give it a meaning it doesnt have.

We have already covered this subject many times, yet, the same people put this sentence in, as if thats how it reads in the second amendment.

Lets cover it again.

The second amendment contains a PREAMBLE, or in simple terms, a SUBJECT.

The preamble ( subject) is : "A well regulated militia , "

Then, that preamble (subject) is then QUALIFIED. Each qualification that applies to the preamble is separated by a comma. This is SIMPLE ENGLISH 101.

The first qualification to the preamble is : " , being necessary for the security of the state , "

The second qualifier is: " , the right of the people to bear and keep arms , "

The last qualifier is : ", shall not be infringed."


Where you people get a STAND alone sentence that reads "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." is beyond reality.

But, GUN owners, like the NRA, argue, that the comma CONNECTS the third fragment and the fourth fragment only, and the two previous commas dont have anything to do with the last two fragments.

Thats not how english works.

the subject discussed in the second amendment is A WELL REGULATED MILITIA.

Everything else applies to the militia, upto and including the militia act of 1792 in the second congress, as the second amendment was written in the first congress in 1791.

Clearly, in the militia act, the militia was WELL REGULATED and controlled by the president of the United States, and militias were NEVER allowed to control themselves.

They took orders from commanding officers who took orders from the president.

For now, you get to have your beloved weapons of death. We get it, you live in fear, you need your safety blankets.

Dont worry though, the only people who dont want stricter gun control laws, are the people who couldnt pass background checks in the first place, or gun sellers who sell guns to gang members that end up in multiple homocides.

There are no good gun owners in my book.

TOS.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
How about a tank? Stinger missle?
Private citizens in the US right now own tanks.

Stinger missile (not missle)----no.

We are talking small arms.

Handguns and rifles and grenades.

Full automatic is ok too.

Have relatives in the south that own full autos.

They have never killed anyone even after owning them for 30 years.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
This is President Obama circa 2008' about the abuse of using executive power to circumvent the Congress. Let's also be clear, Obama is not the only one to advance the cause of what is called the unitary executive theory (google it) as under Bush, Dick Cheney along with legal magicians John Yoo and David Addington made the Bush years a utopia for the unitarians. For the Republicans to cry foul now is on the same level of hypocrisy as the democrats screaming about warmonger Bush and then turn around and defend Obama at every turn.

"The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America."

 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Republicans in their zeal for their party and President have to now ponder what they aided in creation while Democrats have to ponder themselves what they are becoming.

 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Republicans in their zeal for their party and President have to now ponder what they aided in creation while Democrats have to ponder themselves what they are becoming.

This is President Obama circa 2008' about the abuse of using executive power to circumvent the Congress. Let's also be clear, Obama is not the only one to advance the cause of what is called the unitary executive theory (google it) as under Bush, Dick Cheney along with legal magicians John Yoo and David Addington made the Bush years a utopia for the unitarians. For the Republicans to cry foul now is on the same level of hypocrisy as the democrats screaming about warmonger Bush and then turn around and defend Obama at every turn.



How sweet of you to worry about those Republicans.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
here we go again by making a sentence out of fragments to change the meaning of the second amendments.

YOU do realize there is a COMMA in between " the right of the people to keep and bear arms" , "shall not be infringed"..... RIGHT?

You, like every other gun owner in this country, make a STAND ALONE sentence to give it a meaning it doesnt have.

We have already covered this subject many times, yet, the same people put this sentence in, as if thats how it reads in the second amendment.

Lets cover it again.

The second amendment contains a PREAMBLE, or in simple terms, a SUBJECT.

The preamble ( subject) is : "A well regulated militia , "

Then, that preamble (subject) is then QUALIFIED. Each qualification that applies to the preamble is separated by a comma. This is SIMPLE ENGLISH 101.

The first qualification to the preamble is : " , being necessary for the security of the state , "

The second qualifier is: " , the right of the people to bear and keep arms , "

The last qualifier is : ", shall not be infringed."


Where you people get a STAND alone sentence that reads "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." is beyond reality.

But, GUN owners, like the NRA, argue, that the comma CONNECTS the third fragment and the fourth fragment only, and the two previous commas dont have anything to do with the last two fragments.

Thats not how english works.

the subject discussed in the second amendment is A WELL REGULATED MILITIA.

Everything else applies to the militia, upto and including the militia act of 1792 in the second congress, as the second amendment was written in the first congress in 1791.

Clearly, in the militia act, the militia was WELL REGULATED and controlled by the president of the United States, and militias were NEVER allowed to control themselves.

They took orders from commanding officers who took orders from the president.

For now, you get to have your beloved weapons of death. We get it, you live in fear, you need your safety blankets.

Dont worry though, the only people who dont want stricter gun control laws, are the people who couldnt pass background checks in the first place, or gun sellers who sell guns to gang members that end up in multiple homocides.

There are no good gun owners in my book.

TOS.
Yet you approve of the 14th Amendment giving birth right citizenship to all persons born here , which was not it's intent .
 
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