Secession, A Word Heard More & More

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by wkmac, Apr 28, 2009.

  1. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    IS "Secession In Our Future?"

    I don't think so at least at this time but found the POV interesting none the less.

    I can't help but love this

    I wonder if the whole State of Virginia is on Janet Napolitano's watch list?

    LOL!!!!!
     
  2. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    The first couple of times you raised this idea I thought it crazy. Now I'm not so sure. this country is polarized more then it ever has been. Your large urban areas are predominantly liberal. Your rural areas more conservative. Very little common ground in between.
     
  3. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    I been thinking of moving to Texas.
     
  4. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    You mean the Republic of Texas?
     
  5. RockyRogue

    RockyRogue Agent of Change

    You're not the only one. The employment picture is a whole lot brighter down there. And when things pick up again, the cost of living is heckuva lot less than pretty much any city in the North. Houston and its surrounding area may be the exception to that generality but Dallas, Austin and San Antone are pretty reasonable if I'm not mistaken. -Rocky

    LOL. Now, now. Did you know that when Texas joined the Union it was with the caveat that it had the option of splitting into 4 (or was it 5? Satellite may know the answer to this question) different states at some point. And remember......there's a reason for the saying 'don't mess with Texas!' :happy-very: -Rocky




    Caveat: I am a native Texan
     
  6. Sammie

    Sammie Well-Known Member

    It was it's own nation for 10 years before joining the U.S. in 1845.
    And Chuck Norris is interested in running for the presidency of Texas.
    Yee Haw! Then we can move the border fence up to Amarillo!
     
  7. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Believe it or not, Texas is not the only place that has a somewhat leg up in the idea of secession. People are starting to research law and so far it's been uncovered that Rhode Island and to my shock, New York, at the time they joined the union also reserved their right to secede should they choose to do so. On the 3/18 Fox "Freedom Watch" program, Judge Napolitano also pointed this out about Texas, Rhode Island and New York.

    Secession is also not a southern thing as there were threats of secession by northern states not long after the nation was formed. Interesting enough, last July, St. Louis Today ran a story of Secession and it turns out the idea in very recent years was more alive with democrats upset over election outcomes than it was among republican/rightwing/militia types as is so often the myth. I'm sure the fortunes of elections have tampered those rumbling but I guess now they've in essence, switched sides based on shifting politcal fortunes.
    :happy-very:

    As I said in my original post, I don't think secession in any meaningful way is gonna happen because I don't believe the broader American public has the courage or will to do so. We've become to comfortable being parasites off of each other and using gov't as a mechanism to find us blood victims to feed our vampire appetites. Secession and the possible freedom and liberty that comes with it would require to much work and effort on our own individual parts rather than the current system of other's labor doing for us what we are to lazy to do for ourselves so for now, the idea and talk of secession is at best an awaking that in the future might serve as a way of seperating the wheat from the chaff!

    jmo

    :peaceful:
     
  8. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

  9. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Giving in to the inevitable are they! :happy-very:

    Couple of interesting websites that are focused in whole or part on secession are Front Porch Republic and Vermont Commons.

    At Front Porch, there is this on secession. Also at Front Porch, the opinions are diverse and I've not myself even seen a hint of so-called militia types that seems some elements of gov't are worried with.

    At Vermont Common and it's sister secession website, the focus is on secession but the Vermont movement in today's political climate would be seen more from a so-called "left" perspective but I just see it all as freedom, liberty with local governance and de-centralization (politically, socially and most important economically). If that's left then I'm hardcore left!

    Along these same lines of de-centralizing of power (JimJimmyJames, I'm posting this mainly for you in respect to your wanting ideas of diverse opinion) I read this at the blog site known as "The Left Conservative".

     
  10. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

  11. pickup

    pickup Well-Known Member

    Really? and does a state secede from its share of national debt? (however you want to count it) Does it get to keep any nuclear weapons that happen to be on its property or does it get any that it paid for that just happen to be on other lands.

    Do other countries take advantage of this division like , I don't know a quick nuclear tactical attack because these newly formed nations can't cooperate amongst themselves.

    Look at the south, see how it worked out for them. I don't think anyone of these states have even successfully invoked the state sovereignty clauses yet in fighting the federal laws shoved down their throats. Think they are going to do more than that when they haven't even done that yet?
     
  12. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Thats why texas would not want to be its own nation. The cost of the illegal immigration problem alone would kill them financially.
     
  13. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

  14. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    Heard a silly tale about that SC Governor who went missing.
    Seem he may have been at a Russian Embassy , asking for them to be the first to acknowledge the secession of S.C.
     
  15. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Stanford University's Hoover Institution: The Power of Statelessness

    Interesting read IMO on a variety of different levels beyond just the idea of successsion itself.


     
  16. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member


    You might enjoy "Morning Jehosphat!"
     
  17. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    Oh, it's even better than that :happy-very: click
     
  18. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Oh, it's only an affair.....for a moment, I was fearing he might be a spy !!
     
  19. tourists24

    tourists24 Well-Known Member

    I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Argentenian. I did not tell anyone to lie, not one time.
     
  20. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    I heard about this and thought about Lord Acton's "absolute power corrupts absolutely!"

    I guess this is considered bad news for the elephant crowd as Sanford's name was batted around as a potential 2012' golden boy. I imagine another skirt chaser in Newt is dancing around singing "Another One Bites the Dust" as he prepares himself for 2012'.