UPS on Trial?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by OPTION3, Sep 29, 2014.

  1. OPTION3

    OPTION3 Well-Known Member

  2. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Because this is a reflection of our society.
    Socialism by its nature supports a cradle to grave paternalistic relationship of the government to its citizens.
    UPS (and other corporations) do not support or provide a paternalistic relationship with it's employees.
     
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  3. aiian

    aiian Active Member

    Wow.

    That was one of the biggest piles of :censored2: I've read in a long time.
     
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  4. OPTION3

    OPTION3 Well-Known Member

    What in the article, was incorrect?
     
  5. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    Cradle to grave never works. Look at countries like Greece and Spain.
     
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  6. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    Eventually those systems run out of other people's money.
     
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  7. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    what's a pension?
     
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  8. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    The article only "touches" on some of the larger problems at UPS at the driver/preload level.

    With preload, stupid decisions by supervisors cause service failures, late loads and misloads, but "they" never pay for it.

    Its always the part timers that are "let go" as an excuse for the mistakes, when in reality, reducing hours, cutting staff, mixing loops, and creating "drops" that have too many packages in them are all the byproducts of stupid managerial decisions.

    With drivers, the same applies. Route cuts, late hours, too much NDA, to many pickups and harrassment is causing tremendous stress on all drivers. ORION for example has increased the stress levels with its ridiculous expectations when its already been established that ORION doesnt work.

    Management at the driver levels all acknowledge that it doesnt work, but they have no voice in stopping or fixing it.

    The pressure from the top to implement a bad system causes the center teams to rely on discipline to make it work, and this is hurting drivers. Moral is at the lowest levels in years since ORION was introduced.

    Harrassment grievances have skyrocketed nationwide since ORION was implemented and UPS should take a deeper look into the program to see if the results are worth the problems its creating on the drivers level.

    UPS has no idea what kind of monsters its creating with its harrassment policies.

    There are plenty of drivers with guns, and "some", with low tolerances for harrassment, and others just may do the same thing in another yard in time.

    TOS.
     
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  9. wage EARNER

    wage EARNER Member

    Just remember, no offense is worth taking a life........however, shattered kneecaps give the offender a lifetime to think about their sins.
     
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  10. OPTION3

    OPTION3 Well-Known Member

    CLASSIC!
     
  11. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    A deferred payment for services rendered.
     
  12. JackStraw

    JackStraw Active Member

    So far as I know, no one has come out and said why this guy was fired, if he was being harassed, or if he was an eff up. For the dude to write this article on speculation is ridiculous.
     
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  13. Cementups

    Cementups Box Monkey

    I've told everyone who has asked and tried to place blame on UPS, "Joe would have had to have done something really really bad in order to get fired from UPS." So whatever he got fired for was brought on by himself, not by UPS.
     
  14. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Not really true. They fire guys here all the time. It doesn't stick but they use it as intimidation.
     
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  15. Cementups

    Cementups Box Monkey

    This wasn't a "we'll fire you and give you your job back in 2 weeks" type firing though. The way I read it was that he was discharged months prior and had gone through hearing and arbitrations and was given the final word and permanently terminated. If it gets to that, then you screwed up and you screwed up bad.
     
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  16. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    I agree if that was the case.
     
  17. Dr.Brown

    Dr.Brown Swollen Member

    Do you think we'll find out?
     
  18. OPTION3

    OPTION3 Well-Known Member

    NOPE which is basically what is said at the end of that article
     
  19. OPTION3

    OPTION3 Well-Known Member

    I’ve heard SOCIAL security called that TOO
     
  20. Cementups

    Cementups Box Monkey

    Part of me would like to know but at the same time, it's none of our business.