2.5 hours over
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helenofcalifornia
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Numbers don't mean anything except when you have to hear it from management all the time about how you didn't run scratch. Scratch now a big issue.
browndevil
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Scratch? In my neck of the woods it's under an hour
helenofcalifornia
Well-Known Member
Just wait a couple of weeks BD, it's the NEW two week plan. Except this one they seem to be sincere about. I think it came with the new guy from Tennessee who replaced Mary as district head.
Just Numbers
Retired
Scratch is scratch. It means the same thing as it did 30 years ago. It is nothing new. Just sounds like they are pressing the issue.
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grgrcr88
No It's not green grocer!
Yep, absolutely nothing!!!
Coldworld
60 months and counting
But the allowances were at least half-way fair, you could have something or two go wrong and you would at least have a little buffer...you didnt have to run and cut major corners. Now you cant even stop to fart and not be overallowed for that stop. Some say the allowances are slim...its gone WAY past that. The union cant address it because they dont recognize it, but what it does do is get them on car to give you the production rides. People say that the allowance doesnt matter, but if they were correct then in most cases you would be running scratch or over, under by a few minutes and more than likely no ride. GIVE ME A BREAK, IF YOU CANT RUN THE ROUTE YOU DO EVERYDAY, SOME DRIVERS ON THE SAME ROUTE 10-20 YEARS AND NOT RUN BETTER THAN 1-2 HOURS OVER THEN 1 OF 2 THINGS, YOUR WALKING ON YOUR HAND TO DELIVER THE PACKAGES OR THE ALLOWANCE ARENT PROPERLY REFLECTING EVERYTHING IN THE DAY..PERIOD.
Dagoof
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The other thing is that in bonus centers. You have routes that are constantly over by an hour or more. The driver has no chance at getting any bonus pay ever. Where other routes are under by an hour and that driver makes 2 to three grand a year more in bonus, doesnt get the ride alongs, the harassment, and in turn doesnt have to keep looking over his shoulder to see who is spying and what crap he has to deal with in the morning. If a route is at a constant that constant should be scratch. Same goes with a route that bonuses every day. In the end they should equal each other out and have less stressed drivers. Maybe even more production.
I have yet to see anyone fired for #s so dont worry about it. If they keep giving your performance rides file an artilce 37 grievance for oversupervising. That works all over the US by the way. They will try and scare you. They are just trying to use the only way they know how to get people to work "fear". I have told them and they know that doing this to me just makes me down shift now upshift.
JustTired
free at last.......
I guess I don't understand the corporate thought process. Do they really think that when adjustments are made to the standards due to a new technology, that 85-90% of the drivers suddenly slow down in an effort to thwart the gain?
It would be interesting to know whether these technological savings are obtained by a calculation done in an office or by demonstrated performance in the real world. I would guess the former.
Who is getting fooled here? Is it the driver who continues to do the same job he has done for years, yet can't figure out why he suddenly runs late on a daily basis? Or is it management who continue with harassment expecting a different result?
I have no doubt that a small percentage of drivers do try to "game" the system. But punishing everyone with unrealistic standards won't change the bad drivers. But it may change the good ones.
I'm not sure what the "end game" is the company is trying to achieve. But if it it really is cost-savings......better come up with a plan based on fact and not fiction.
It would be interesting to know whether these technological savings are obtained by a calculation done in an office or by demonstrated performance in the real world. I would guess the former.
Who is getting fooled here? Is it the driver who continues to do the same job he has done for years, yet can't figure out why he suddenly runs late on a daily basis? Or is it management who continue with harassment expecting a different result?
I have no doubt that a small percentage of drivers do try to "game" the system. But punishing everyone with unrealistic standards won't change the bad drivers. But it may change the good ones.
I'm not sure what the "end game" is the company is trying to achieve. But if it it really is cost-savings......better come up with a plan based on fact and not fiction.
1989
Well-Known Member
My hardest day of work is when i'm 6.5 hours over. Do some air, then some bulk stops. Come back get another car with a little bit of work on it. Help 4 or 5 drivers.
Last week I spent an hour looking for a stop I couldn't find, come to find out I went 7 miles past it before I turned around. Technically I missed it twice, once on the way up and once on the way down. Never once, in 15 years and 7 centers, have I been asked about about my production.
Last week I spent an hour looking for a stop I couldn't find, come to find out I went 7 miles past it before I turned around. Technically I missed it twice, once on the way up and once on the way down. Never once, in 15 years and 7 centers, have I been asked about about my production.
browniehound
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First of all, 2.5 hours over is a lot. It would mean that an 8 hour dispatch would bring you in at 10.5 hours. Its happened to me before, but never on a consistent basis. Perhaps there is something wrong with the numbers (which very well could be the case). I also think its OK to be 2.5 hours over as long you don't go out with the sup. and come back .5 hours over.
If that's the case, then you just look like a slacker. .75 hours difference with the sup. can be explained over customer contact and just being more laid back. But 2 hours? I can't begin to explain that away?
If that's the case, then you just look like a slacker. .75 hours difference with the sup. can be explained over customer contact and just being more laid back. But 2 hours? I can't begin to explain that away?
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
You don't mention a few things and there is a big discrepancy in your original post and the title of this thread.
You said 1.5 hrs over and the title of this thread 2.5 hrs over. Which is it? 1.5 hrs over is not that unusual. 2.5 hrs is going to get attention.
You don't mention how well you know the rte. This will make a difference. You don't mention how much business to resi there is. This, also, will make a difference. A heavy business rte that doesn't have proper time studies will look bad in over-allowed.
You said 1.5 hrs over and the title of this thread 2.5 hrs over. Which is it? 1.5 hrs over is not that unusual. 2.5 hrs is going to get attention.
You don't mention how well you know the rte. This will make a difference. You don't mention how much business to resi there is. This, also, will make a difference. A heavy business rte that doesn't have proper time studies will look bad in over-allowed.
i was 2.5 hours over. 1.5 over is the norm. and i know the route. it is a bulk van 4 stops in the morning delivering around 400. and picking up around 700 and 90 miles. it used to pick up over a 1000 everyday but a pu moved to different center. im gonnna guess that this is why delivering 400 and picking up 700 doesnt dispatch ne more. its been two days and nothin has been said so i am in the clear. prolly time they did a new time study.
thessalonian13
Well-Known Member
I used to run between 20 minutes and an hour under every day till about 4 or 5 months ago. Now, all of a sudden, I am running between 1 and 1.5 hours over. I.E. is playing with the numbers.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
I always get a kick out of people who complain that the time study "needs to be redone", or "isnt accurate".
The reality is simple. UPS time allowances were never intended to be fair or realistic in the first place. They were intended to create a "standard" that can only be met by working off of the clock. Period. End of story.
Complaining about the "allowance" is sort of like complaining about the odds at a blackjack table or roulette wheel. The house makes the rules, and the house always wins. There is nothing "fair" about it. It is basic mathematics, nothing more.
The entire business model of the casino is predicated upon the notion that the customers will spend money to play because they think they can find a way to win....when the odds have been designed to make it mathematically impossible for them to do so. Thats why there is no such thing as a "professional" slot machine or roulette player. Play long enough, and you will lose.
The entire business model of UPS is predicated upon manipulating a substantial portion of its drivers into skipping their lunches and breaks. This is done by creating "allowances" that are physically impossible to meet without taking shortcuts and working off of the clock.
Follow the money. Nine drivers who skip lunch=one less route dispatched, one less car on the road, one less benefit package to pay for. Proper manipulation of the allowances can yield many millions of dollars in free labor and extra profits per year for UPS.
The reality is simple. UPS time allowances were never intended to be fair or realistic in the first place. They were intended to create a "standard" that can only be met by working off of the clock. Period. End of story.
Complaining about the "allowance" is sort of like complaining about the odds at a blackjack table or roulette wheel. The house makes the rules, and the house always wins. There is nothing "fair" about it. It is basic mathematics, nothing more.
The entire business model of the casino is predicated upon the notion that the customers will spend money to play because they think they can find a way to win....when the odds have been designed to make it mathematically impossible for them to do so. Thats why there is no such thing as a "professional" slot machine or roulette player. Play long enough, and you will lose.
The entire business model of UPS is predicated upon manipulating a substantial portion of its drivers into skipping their lunches and breaks. This is done by creating "allowances" that are physically impossible to meet without taking shortcuts and working off of the clock.
Follow the money. Nine drivers who skip lunch=one less route dispatched, one less car on the road, one less benefit package to pay for. Proper manipulation of the allowances can yield many millions of dollars in free labor and extra profits per year for UPS.
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