4/10 package car runs

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Fullhouse, May 22, 2013.

  1. Fullhouse

    Fullhouse Member

    This is not in the National but it is being proposed in the Atlantic Supplement. The company wants to put in place 10hr package car runs. Those runs will have to be approved by the union.My questions are as follows. Is this happening in any other areas? Why would the union even allow such language if it could be used to cut routes? Could this be the begining of the home delivery such as Fed Ex uses? This just seems like another attempt by the company to reduce overtime costs.
    Think about the implications that could arise from this.
    Drivers taking longer to reach their goal of 1801 hours if they are limited to 40hrs a week.
    The ability to make any run in the building a 10 hr run as long as it is approved by the union. ( I hope the union likes you if they don't well gett ready!)
    Seperate bids just for coverage.
    Just to many unknowns!
    If UPS wants it, you better believe they have somthing up their sleeves.
  2. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    Looks like a mutual consent deal. Surprized no limits were proposed, i.e. 5% of total bids. No 4-10's in the Central, although UPS proposed it.
  3. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    10% rounded down to the next whole number.
  4. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    Art 53 Sec 2 Hours of Work... By mutual agreement between the parties, the Company may place four (4) ten (10) hour day routes for bid during the bidding process within the package car classification.
    I don't see the 10% but I only have 502 posts... Nice to see you're back.
  5. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Our supplement has this language for feeders only using the formula I posted above.
  6. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    Roger! or since were talking feeders 10-4 on the 4/10's.
  7. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Active Member

    Not everyone wants the UPS driver 50-60 hr workweek! I believe if it were put to a vote by us members, it would find alot of support.
  8. Johney

    Johney Well-Known Member

    Something tells me that 4 ten hour days would turn into 4 twelve hour days real quick.
  9. superballs63

    superballs63 Well-Known Troll Troll

    All the drivers I've talked to today in my hub are opposed to this new plan. This will effectively cut OT down to zero, and there are quite a few drivers who are rather fond of their overtime.

    I would rather work 5 9/9.5 hour days than 4 10 hours. If this supplement passes, I'm going to have to REALLY slow down.
  10. Fullhouse

    Fullhouse Member

    So have these 10hr runs had a significant affect on the ot in the areas with this language? How much change was made to the routes in order for this to work as intended? Are these runs heavy on residential stops with zero pick ups? I'm just trying to get idea of how the company might dispatch these runs.
  11. John19841

    John19841 Member

    I think some of you guys are crazy. I would much rather work 4 10's vs 5 8's

    If it turns into 4 12 hr days, You still have a 3 day weekend, every week

    If it stays 4 10 hr days, no overtime.... you STILL have a 3 day weekend, EVERY week! Use that extra day off to make some money doing something you enjoy, if you need the money

    Although, the contract would need to state 4 CONSECUTIVE 10 hr workdays, with 3 CONSECUTIVE Days off. Seniority determines who gets the preferred days off (Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Saturday, Sunday, Monday)
  12. BrownArmy

    BrownArmy Well-Known Member


    I usually work five ten-hour days.

  13. bottomups

    bottomups Bad Moon Risen'

    If they put one of these up in my center I would be all over it like flies to sh$t. At this stage in my career 40 hours would be awesome. Leave the OT to the young guns.
  14. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Yep to prevent this you would need language that states OT for over 40 hours in a week.
  15. John19841

    John19841 Member

    Overtime after 10, too, to prevent them from trying to entice you with a half day on your fourth day, to kill all your overtime
  16. 3 done 3 to go

    3 done 3 to go In control of my own destiny

    Actually I am thinking the same thing. 3 days of rest hmmmmmmmm
  17. John19841

    John19841 Member

    I would think, start these drivers early. Have them deliver the EAM's to get rid of those drivers, then a normal route for the remainder of the day. Ex: 6:30 AM to 5:30 PM with a 1 hour lunch. They could still work 2 hours of OT and still be done at 7:30 PM. Even starting them at 8:30 AM will have them done at 7:30, with a 1 hour lunch, and without overtime.
  18. stealstime

    stealstime New Member

    Plain and simple your local has sold you out!! Vote no!!! Sounds like local 294.
  19. East coast navy

    East coast navy Veteran

    Now it's coming all together. If you look in the new master language it states that the company can change Monday to Friday schedule to Tuesday to Saturday weeks. With the 4/10 to 12 hour days that will cover the scheduling. Ups wouldn't be doing this if there was no way to make more money. Buckle up brothers and sisters. It's going to be a pumping ride.
  20. upsgrunt

    upsgrunt Well-Known Member

    It would almost never be a Monday or Friday that you would have off; in fact I bet the 5th day off would change weekly.