80 more mechanic layoffs

airbusfxr

Well-Known Member
I am stunned that the MOU past. No pilot will be furloughed even though many are just sitting at home with no airplane to fly. It seems that UPS has decided to pay instead of taking a chance on making the IPA mad. The IPA is a strong union and its leaders showed UPS how to run their part of the company, congratulations to the pilots for saving 300 jobs.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
I am stunned that the MOU past. No pilot will be furloughed even though many are just sitting at home with no airplane to fly. It seems that UPS has decided to pay instead of taking a chance on making the IPA mad. The IPA is a strong union and its leaders showed UPS how to run their part of the company, congratulations to the pilots for saving 300 jobs.


From what I read there were concessions and cooperation on both sides. The IPA came to the realization that it must come up with $131M in savings over the next 3 years to keep all of their members working and it came awfully close ($90M) with more savings to be identified before years end. The IPA took care of its members and UPS, in turn, worked with the IPA.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
I am stunned that the MOU past. No pilot will be furloughed even though many are just sitting at home with no airplane to fly. It seems that UPS has decided to pay instead of taking a chance on making the IPA mad. The IPA is a strong union and its leaders showed UPS how to run their part of the company, congratulations to the pilots for saving 300 jobs.

LMAO - you are always good for a robust guffaw.
Keep up the good work!
 

airdoc416

New Member
It good to see that a lot of people have notice when a mechanic is sleeping under the wing of an aircraft. No one notice that maybe the aircraft is operation ready to go. Oh maybe fire fighter should go fight a fire when there is no fire. Ops mechanic change part even if there no problems. Got the undersatand ramp/unload Gods
 
It good to see that a lot of people have notice when a mechanic is sleeping under the wing of an aircraft. No one notice that maybe the aircraft is operation ready to go.

So if the work is done in 3 hrs...the mechanics should be able to sleep under the wing for 5...Sounds like airline mentality to me.
 

airbusfxr

Well-Known Member
No FDX is an airline with trucks, UPS is a trucking company with airplanes. This mentality has FDX under the RLA of 1929 and here it is 2009 and UPS has finally jumped on the FAA Reautho Bill. To bad UPS doesnt have an airline mentality, but the pilots sure gave them a dose of their own medicine. OBTW most mechanics work 4 tens or 3 thirteens.
 

unionman

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No FDX is an airline with trucks, UPS is a trucking company with airplanes. This mentality has FDX under the RLA of 1929 and here it is 2009 and UPS has finally jumped on the FAA Reautho Bill. To bad UPS doesnt have an airline mentality, but the pilots sure gave them a dose of their own medicine. OBTW most mechanics work 4 tens or 3 thirteens.

The FAA Reauthorization Bill is not only going to change the rules for FEDX but the rules on outsourcing aircraft maintenance over seas. With all of the planes that have crashed in the last year or so the subject has become more prevalent. The A330 that crashed was most likely due to pitot sensors that should have been changed because Airbus found out two years ago that they could fail in the right conditions. On the evening news they had a story about regional airlines and how poorly there pilots are trained and now the FAA is investigating a day late and a dollar short like they always do.
 

unionman

Well-Known Member
The FAA Reauthorization Bill is not only going to change the rules for FEDX but the rules on outsourcing aircraft maintenance over seas. With all of the planes that have crashed in the last year or so the subject has become more prevalent. The A330 that crashed was most likely due to pitot sensors that should have been changed because Airbus found out two years ago that they could fail in the right conditions. On the evening news they had a story about regional airlines and how poorly there pilots are trained and now the FAA is investigating a day late and a dollar short like they always do.

U.S. airlines that fly Airbus aircraft on long-haul routes were installing new speed sensors on those planes before the Air France crash last week of an A330 that killed 228 people.
Delta Air Lines, UAL Corp's United Airlines and US Airways Group, each of which fly Airbus planes, said this week they were changing the sensors as recommended by Airbus.
The sensor, known as a pitot tube, has become the focus of the investigation of the June 1 crash. The Air France A330 was en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris when it went down in the Atlantic Ocean.
Investigators have said there were "inconsistencies" with the speed readings prior to the crash, raising speculation the pitot tubes may have iced up, feeding wrong data into the cockpit and confusing the pilots as they hit a storm.
The French air accident agency has said it was too early to identify a cause of the accident given the clues so far.
Airbus recommended in 2006 that operators of A320 aircraft replace their existing pitot tubes with new ones that offer better performance. Airbus recommended in 2007 that operators of A330/A340 aircraft replace the pitot tubes.
"Until these installations are complete we are communicating with our flight crews to reiterate the correct procedures to be used in the event of unreliable airspeed indications," a Delta spokeswoman said.
 

unionman

Well-Known Member
U.S. airlines that fly Airbus aircraft on long-haul routes were installing new speed sensors on those planes before the Air France crash last week of an A330 that killed 228 people.
Delta Air Lines, UAL Corp's United Airlines and US Airways Group, each of which fly Airbus planes, said this week they were changing the sensors as recommended by Airbus.
The sensor, known as a pitot tube, has become the focus of the investigation of the June 1 crash. The Air France A330 was en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris when it went down in the Atlantic Ocean.
Investigators have said there were "inconsistencies" with the speed readings prior to the crash, raising speculation the pitot tubes may have iced up, feeding wrong data into the cockpit and confusing the pilots as they hit a storm.
The French air accident agency has said it was too early to identify a cause of the accident given the clues so far.
Airbus recommended in 2006 that operators of A320 aircraft replace their existing pitot tubes with new ones that offer better performance. Airbus recommended in 2007 that operators of A330/A340 aircraft replace the pitot tubes.
"Until these installations are complete we are communicating with our flight crews to reiterate the correct procedures to be used in the event of unreliable airspeed indications," a Delta spokeswoman said.

This week a letter was sent from Airline Division Director David Bourne to Congressman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS, 2nd District) expressing the Directors concerns and strong support for H.R. 2200, the Transportation Security Administration Authorization Act. Congressman Thompson, who chairs the House Committee on Homeland Security, has been a strong proponent and supporter of ensuring that foreign facilities that are being used to service U.S. registered aircraft must be held to the same rigorous security standards as our American facilities. “For U.S. carriers to continue using these offshore facilities employing workers that are not held to the highest security standards and in many cases don’t have the level of training required to do the same job in the U.S., but work for much less than a trained U.S. worker is unconscionable,” said Bourne. “The loopholes in the current U.S. law must be closed, not just for the trained professionals who should be making sure these aircraft are well maintained, but more importantly for the travelling public, flight crews and others who face the potential dire consequences of poorly done work.”
 

TechGrrl

Space Cadet
What about the 727 that lost all three engines and glided into chicago just missing the tops of buildings. Pure luck that it did not crash into something.

Not pure luck, the skill of the flight crew to keep it in the air as long as possible, and also the fact they were able to restart the engines just in time. Later analysis showed a design defect that starved the engines of fuel under very rare circumstances. Defect was corrected in all planes of this class.
 

unionman

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Not pure luck, the skill of the flight crew to keep it in the air as long as possible, and also the fact they were able to restart the engines just in time. Later analysis showed a design defect that starved the engines of fuel under very rare circumstances. Defect was corrected in all planes of this class.
UPS was the only one dumb enough to put those tay engines on the 727s. The fuel pump was not good enough to pump fuel in that situation.
 

airbusfxr

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In the early 90's UPS stunned the aviation world when the tays were selected. The thought process was that the 727 would fly for 30 more years and stage 3 was a top prioity. FDX had a STC for a rev mod BUT UPS instead of buying FDX mod stepped over a dollar to pick up a penny and buy their own mod. WASTED MONEY by UPSCO so called experts cost millions and millions instead of buying the FDX rev mod. The deice Gantry at SDF millions wasted, on and on and on waste at top levels and it stills goes on a record pace. The pilots and mechanics begged for 747-400 instead of MD11 and guess what millions and millions wasted and now the LONG RANGE, HEAVY PAYLOAD planes are flying SDF-STL, SDF-MEM, SDF-CLE etc etc etc, this is a waste of money in fuel, maint, misuse of company funds in a major way. Sad way to waste money instead of fixing the problem, this is the reason UPS makes less money each year because IT IS MISMANAGED every hour of every day.
 
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