Acorn census

tieguy

Banned
This org was supported by Bush as well, and the detractors guilty of voter registration fraud were giving their pink slips.....and It's important to add the word 'registration" to voter fraud....it adds a whole different definition.

If your going by what you just posted above, then we should consider not funding our Governers, Senators and House members. Because, if you want to talk scandels, more than just a few (especially Republicans) have defrauded their constituents and lost the trust of their family members...

You did make the point that your guy sits in the white house. Thus the responsibility for ethical behaviour perhaps could be his? And if so then making the claim that everyone else is corrupt may not be good justification for employing an organization that is corrupt. I'm kind of surprised you would use that as a defense.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Now that is funny. Do you mean like they supported George Bush?

No Tooner, I didn't mean it that way. During the Bush years when someone dare question Bush policy, the immediate chorus from the elephants was:

"It's downright anti American to not support your President in a time of war!"

Now even when the questions pertained to just concern over the lack of fiscal responsibility as it pertained to various policies, it was often both here and outside BC that the above was tossed around like candy at Halloween. And look now at where that failure to use fiscal restraint got us! Had republicans made fiscal responsiblity a chief principle instead of smoke and mirror words, do you think democrats would own Washington lock, stock and barrel? Voters walked away because of what other choice did they have. If we are gonna have fiscal irresponsibility, let's put the experts in charge.
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So since the precedence was established under the Bush years, I think it only fitting that democrats, Diesel in this case, should be allowed to use the same treatment in this new era of gov't! Therefore my urging to him to let it rip!

You guys tee'd it up and I'm only cheering Diesel on to kick that sucker so hard it lands in the cheap parking lot!

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More unintended consequences!
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Babagounj

Strength through joy
I think it might be more then a few. I think you may have an organized effort that was more then a mere few. The question to me would be why an organization that had such scandel would be given such a lucrative contract. Obama through his selection process is clearly not opposed to hiring and supporting those who evade taxes and engaged in organized voter fraud. It almost seem as if you need to have a rap sheet in order to get a job in his administration.

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ah, that old saying is today so true;
Birds of a feather flock together
 
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moreluck

golden ticket member
ACORN Officials Videotaped Telling 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' How to Lie to IRS

Thursday , September 10, 2009

Officials with the controversial community organizing group ACORN were secretly videotaped offering to assist two individuals posing as a pimp and a prostitute, encouraging them to lie to the Internal Revenue Service and providing guidance on how to claim underage girls from South America as dependents.
The videotape was made public Thursday on BigGovernment.com, a political blog launched by Andrew Breitbart as a companion site to his BigHollywood.breitbart.com blog.
In the videotape, made on July 24, James O'Keefe, a 25-year-old independent filmmaker, posed as a pimp with a 20-year-old woman named "Kenya" who posed as a prostitute while visiting ACORN's office in Baltimore. The couple told ACORN staffers they wanted to secure housing where the woman could continue to maintain a prostitution business.
ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — bills itself as the nation's largest community of low- and moderate-income families "working together for social justice and stronger communities," according to its Web site. The organization has been accused by Republicans and conservative activists with fraud in voter registration drives around the country and has been under fire since last year for its support of President Obama and for its planned participation in next year's census.
A spokesman for ACORN, Scott Levenson, when asked to comment on the videotape, said: "The portrayal is false and defamatory and an attempt at gotcha journalism. This film crew tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed. ACORN wants to see the full video before commenting further."
On the videotape, "Kenya" can be seen telling an ACORN staffer that she earns roughly $8,000 a month. The ACORN employee then suggests to "Kenya" that ACORN could submit a tax return for 2008 showing that she made $9,600 for the entire year — instead of $96,000 — and that ACORN would charge "Kenya" $50 instead of the usual $150 fee for preparing her taxes.
ACORN offers tax preparation and benefits application services free of charge during tax season; it charges nominal fees during non-tax season.
The ACORN staffer can also be seen suggesting that the prostitute list her occupation as a freelance "performing artist."
"It's not dancing, trust me," the "pimp" says.
"But dancing is considered an art," the ACORN staffer replies. "[Exotic dancers] usually go under performing artists, or yeah, they usually go under performing arts, which will be what you are — a performing artist."
The "pimp" later says that he and "Kenya" plan to bring up to 13 "very young" girls from El Salvador to work as prostitutes. Although an ACORN staffer points out their plans are illegal, she also suggests that the girls can be claimed as dependents.
"What if they are going to be making money because they are performing tricks too?" the pimp says.
"If they making money and they are underage, then you shouldn't be letting anybody know anyway," the ACORN staffer says, and laughs. "It's illegal. So I am not hearing this, I am not hearing this. You talk too much. Don't give up no information you're not asked."
The "pimp" then asks ACORN staffers to "promise" not to discriminate against his sex worker because of "who she is and what she does," according to the audiotape.
"If we don't have the information, then how are we going to discriminate?" the ACORN staffer replies. "You see what I am saying?"
If the girls are under age 16, the ACORN staffer says on the tape, then they are not legally allowed to work in the state, regardless of what they do.
"So it's like they don't even exist?" "Kenya" asks.
"Exactly," the ACORN staffer replies. "It's like they don't even exist."
The staffer goes on to suggest that as many as three of the underage girls can be listed as dependents at the home, but a "flag" will be raised if as many as 13 are listed.
"You are gonna use three of them," the staffer says. "They are gonna be under 16, so you is eligible to get child tax credit and additional child tax credit."
The ACORN workers also appear to be promoting the group's services to the "pimp" and "Kenya."
A second ACORN employee can be heard on the audiotape suggesting that the couple join the organization for an annual cost of $120 prior to attending one of its first-time homebuyer seminars, which are underwritten with taxpayer funds.
Later, when the "pimp" asks what would happen if the organization is somehow connected to the scheme, the ACORN staffer replies, "First of all, it's not gonna damage us because we not gonna know. And with your girls, you tell them, 'Be careful.' Train them to keep their mouth shut."
"These girls are like 14, how can we trust them?" the pimp asks.
"Just be very, very careful," the ACORN staffer says. "Whatever you do, always keep your eyes in the back of your head."
Reached by FOX News, O'Keefe said he was "shocked" at the level of assistance provided by ACORN staffers.
"I was prepared for them to call the police, throw me out of the office and be hostile," he said. "Without hesitation, they helped me every way they could with evading taxes and setting me up with a brothel, with getting around federal tax laws — doing everything they could to help us. I was completely shocked."
House Republicans issued a report in July accusing ACORN of engaging in a scheme to use taxpayer money to support a partisan political agenda. California Rep. Darrell Issa, the top Republican on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, called for a criminal investigation into the group, which dismissed the report as a "partisan attack job."
 

tieguy

Banned
Your absolutely right Tie, except many here are crying simply because Democrats live at 1600 Penn Ave and control the Hill....It's all political:peaceful:
Acorn had a few dishonest assocciates, but what corperation or bureaucratic agency doesn't?

I think it might be more then a few. I think you may have an organized effort that was more then a mere few. The question to me would be why an organization that had such scandel would be given such a lucrative contract. Obama through his selection process is clearly not opposed to hiring and supporting those who evade taxes and engaged in organized voter fraud. It almost seem as if you need to have a rap sheet in order to get a job in his administration.

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ya know diesel here we are again having another conversation about a few dishonest people at acorn. Just seems like it never ends.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Subject: Fw: 2010 Census-warning from the U S Census Bureau


Can't hurt to be a little cautious. This came from a tax man..... So.....in case you hadn't thought about it......



WARNING: 2010 Census - Cautions from the Better Business Bureau

Be Cautious About Giving Info to Census Workersby Susan Johnson

With the U.S. Census process beginning, the Better Business Bureau (BBB) advises people to be cooperative, but cautious, so as not to become a victim of fraud or identity theft. The first phase of the 2010 U.S. Census is under way as workers have begun verifying the addresses of households across the country. Eventually, more than
140,000 U.S. Census workers will count every person in the United States and will gather information about every person living at each address including name, age, gender, race, and other relevant data.

The big question is - how do you tell the difference between a U.S. Census worker and a con artist? BBB offers the following advice:

** If a U.S. Census worker knocks on your door, they will have a badge, a handheld device, a Census Bureau canvas bag, and a confidentiality notice. Ask to see their identification and their badge before answering their questions. However, you should never invite anyone you don't know into your home.
** Census workers are currently only knocking on doors to verify address information Do not give your Social Security number, credit card or banking information to anyone, even if they claim they need it for the U.S. Census.
REMEMBER, NO MATTER WHAT THEY ASK, YOU REALLY ONLY NEED TO TELL THEM HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE AT YOUR ADDRESS.

While the Census Bureau might ask for basic financial information, such as a salary range, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION. The Census Bureau will not ask for Social Security, bank account, or credit card numbers, nor will employees solicit donations. Any one asking for that information is NOT with the Census Bureau.AND REMEMBER, THE CENSUS BUREAU HAS DECIDED NOT TO WORK WITH ACORN ON GATHERING THIS INFORMATION.. No Acorn worker should approach you
saying he/she is with the Census Bureau.

Eventually, Census workers may contact you by telephone, mail, or in person at home. However, the Census Bureau will not contact you by Email, so be on the lookout for Email scams impersonating the Census.

Never click on a link or open any attachments in an Email that are supposedly from the U.S. Census Bureau.

For more advice on avoiding identity theft and fraud, visit

http://www.bbb.org/

 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
The best advice that I have read concerning the upcoming census is to simply complete the questionaire accurately and thoroughly so that a personal visit will not be necessary. I am not by any means suggesting that you disclose personal financial information or provide information of a personal nature but if you want to keep the census worker away from your front door I do suggest that you answer the questionaire to the best of your ability.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
I have yet to see a sample questionaire online but I imagine one of the questions will be income, which I assume will be asked for in a range. I have no problem giving my income within a range but will not take out my 1040 and start quoting figures from it.

I understand the purpose of the census and have no problem complying but will draw the line if the information requested is IMO too personal.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
I still plan to increase the number in my household, must keep up the local head count to keep those tax dollars heading our way.
 
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