Atheism ON TOPIC

[bbsam]

And yet here we are.

But I won’t argue with you and you just hang on to insisting you’re right.

I like my position.

 

[El Correcto]

But I won’t argue with you and you just hang on to insisting you’re right.

I like my position.

Your position is a vague I wont take a stance one.

Congrats.

 

[Indecisi0n]

But I won’t argue with you and you just hang on to insisting you’re right.

I like my position.

Peace be with you .

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Christ wasn’t referring to the eye of a literal needle—that would be preposterous. Instead, He was talking about a narrow entrance into the city of Jerusalem, a gate known locally as “the eye of the needle.” This gate was so small that a camel could only be brought through with great difficulty, squeezed through on its knees—which depicts how we humbly need to come to the Lord.

Nope ... Made up to cover up the non-idiomatic translation of the Helenic Greek which was the written language of the Middle Eastern scribes in the time of Jesus.
Rope through the eye of the needle is how Jesus would have communicated with the poor of the Nazareth area.

Cyril of Alexandria (fragment 219) claimed that "camel" is a Greek misspelling; that kamêlos (camel) was written in place of kamilos, meaning "rope" or "cable".[2][3][4] More recently, George Lamsa, in his 1933 translation of the Bible into English from the Syriac, claimed this as well based on Cyril and the etiologic beliefs of the Middle Eastern rural people.
Cyril of Alexandria (c. 376 – 444) was the Patriarch of Alexandria from 412 to 444. He was enthroned when the city was at the height of its influence and power within the Roman Empire. Cyril wrote extensively and was a leading protagonist in the Christological controversies of the late-4th and 5th centuries. He was a central figure in the Council of Ephesus in 431, which led to the deposition of Nestorius as Patriarch of Constantinople.

Cyril is counted among the Church Fathers and the Doctors of the Church, and his reputation within the Christian world has resulted in his titles Pillar of Faith and Seal of all the Fathers ...

The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no widely accepted evidence for the existence of such a gate.

Most Bible scholars go with Cyril's explanation but it's not important.

 

[It will be fine]

Cyril of Alexandria (fragment 219) claimed that "camel" is a Greek misspelling; that kamêlos (camel) was written in place of kamilos, meaning "rope" or "cable".[2][3][4] More recently, George Lamsa, in his 1933 translation of the Bible into English from the Syriac, claimed this as well based on Cyril and the etiologic beliefs of the Middle Eastern rural people.
Cyril of Alexandria (c. 376 – 444) was the Patriarch of Alexandria from 412 to 444. He was enthroned when the city was at the height of its influence and power within the Roman Empire. Cyril wrote extensively and was a leading protagonist in the Christological controversies of the late-4th and 5th centuries. He was a central figure in the Council of Ephesus in 431, which led to the deposition of Nestorius as Patriarch of Constantinople.

Cyril is counted among the Church Fathers and the Doctors of the Church, and his reputation within the Christian world has resulted in his titles Pillar of Faith and Seal of all the Fathers ...

The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no widely accepted evidence for the existence of such a gate.

Most Bible scholars go with Cyril's explanation but it's not important.

Did they shave the camel before greasing it up or just slather it on over the hair?

 

[Indecisi0n]

Did they shave the camel before greasing it up or just slather it on over the hair?

Little bit of hair never slowed me down .

 

[bbsam]

Little bit of hair never slowed me down .

Do they make it through your digestive track or come up in fur balls?

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Did they shave the camel before greasing it up or just slather it on over the hair?

That's not my mythology ... ask Fred or Van.

 

[vantexan]

That's not my mythology ... ask Fred or Van.

Yes, because only what you hold to be true can be.

 

[Fred's Myth]

That's not my mythology ... ask Fred or Van.

And actually, I've also heard that a 'camel' was a colloquial term for a knot in thread, or fishing line.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Yes, because only what you hold to be true can be.

Your delusions of persecution are flaring up my friend.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Yes, because only what you hold to be true can be.

No but I don't change my mind on something I have known to be true for 40 years without substantial proof.
If it works for you then that's fine by me.

 

[BrownFlush]

Jesus uses the literal "camel" and the "needle's eye" (Luke 18:25) to illustrate the absolute impossibility of one entering heaven who trusts in riches. The Greek word rendered "eye" in Matthew 19:24 and Mark 10:25 is trumalia,..used of the eye of a needle" according to Vine. (Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words 404). Some have attempted to soften this saying of Jesus and water it down by saying that the needle's eye was only referring to a small passage way or small gate.

Vine says in his note on the word "needle," "The idea of applying `the needle's eye' to small gates seems to be a modem one; there is no ancient trace of it. The Lord's object in the statement is to express the human impossibility and there is no need to endeavor to soften the difficulty by taking the needle to mean anything more than the ordinary instrument." Mackie points out (Hastings' Bible Dictionary) that "an attempt is sometimes made to ex-plain the words as a reference to the small door, a little over two feet square, in the heavy gate of a walled city. This mars the figure without materially altering the meaning, and receives no justification from the language and traditions of Palestine." (Ibid., 788). J. W. McGarvey and Phillip Y. Pendelton in the Fourfold Gospel comment, "The needle's eye here is the literal needle, and the expression was a proverbial one to indicate that which is absolutely impossible. Lord George Nugent (1845-6) introduced the explanation that Jesus referred to the two gates of a city, the large one for beast of burden, and the small one for foot passengers. This smaller one is now called The Needle's Eye, but there is no evidence whatever that it was so called in our Savior's time. In fact we have every reason to believe that this smaller gate received its name in late years because of the efforts of those who were endeavoring to soften this saying of Jesus" (547).

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Jesus uses the literal "camel" and the "needle's eye" (Luke 18:25) to illustrate the absolute impossibility of one entering heaven who trusts in riches. The Greek word rendered "eye" in Matthew 19:24 and Mark 10:25 is trumalia,..used of the eye of a needle" according to Vine. (Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words 404). Some have attempted to soften this saying of Jesus and water it down by saying that the needle's eye was only referring to a small passage way or small gate.

Vine says in his note on the word "needle," "The idea of applying `the needle's eye' to small gates seems to be a modem one; there is no ancient trace of it. The Lord's object in the statement is to express the human impossibility and there is no need to endeavor to soften the difficulty by taking the needle to mean anything more than the ordinary instrument." Mackie points out (Hastings' Bible Dictionary) that "an attempt is sometimes made to ex-plain the words as a reference to the small door, a little over two feet square, in the heavy gate of a walled city. This mars the figure without materially altering the meaning, and receives no justification from the language and traditions of Palestine." (Ibid., 788). J. W. McGarvey and Phillip Y. Pendelton in the Fourfold Gospel comment, "The needle's eye here is the literal needle, and the expression was a proverbial one to indicate that which is absolutely impossible. Lord George Nugent (1845-6) introduced the explanation that Jesus referred to the two gates of a city, the large one for beast of burden, and the small one for foot passengers. This smaller one is now called The Needle's Eye, but there is no evidence whatever that it was so called in our Savior's time. In fact we have every reason to believe that this smaller gate received its name in late years because of the efforts of those who were endeavoring to soften this saying of Jesus" (547).

wrong

 

[bbsam]

Jesus uses the literal "camel" and the "needle's eye" (Luke 18:25) to illustrate the absolute impossibility of one entering heaven who trusts in riches. The Greek word rendered "eye" in Matthew 19:24 and Mark 10:25 is trumalia,..used of the eye of a needle" according to Vine. (Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words 404). Some have attempted to soften this saying of Jesus and water it down by saying that the needle's eye was only referring to a small passage way or small gate.

Vine says in his note on the word "needle," "The idea of applying `the needle's eye' to small gates seems to be a modem one; there is no ancient trace of it. The Lord's object in the statement is to express the human impossibility and there is no need to endeavor to soften the difficulty by taking the needle to mean anything more than the ordinary instrument." Mackie points out (Hastings' Bible Dictionary) that "an attempt is sometimes made to ex-plain the words as a reference to the small door, a little over two feet square, in the heavy gate of a walled city. This mars the figure without materially altering the meaning, and receives no justification from the language and traditions of Palestine." (Ibid., 788). J. W. McGarvey and Phillip Y. Pendelton in the Fourfold Gospel comment, "The needle's eye here is the literal needle, and the expression was a proverbial one to indicate that which is absolutely impossible. Lord George Nugent (1845-6) introduced the explanation that Jesus referred to the two gates of a city, the large one for beast of burden, and the small one for foot passengers. This smaller one is now called The Needle's Eye, but there is no evidence whatever that it was so called in our Savior's time. In fact we have every reason to believe that this smaller gate received its name in late years because of the efforts of those who were endeavoring to soften this saying of Jesus" (547).

Yes. Or...

Maybe the point was that it’s hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

See what I did there? Cut right through the stupid crap and got to the real meaning.

 

[vantexan]

No but I don't change my mind on something I have known to be true for 40 years without substantial proof.
If it works for you then that's fine by me.

How did you know it to be true?

 

[El Correcto]

Don’t y’all have your own thread to go cast lighting bolts in? It really bums me out watching old people being drawn to a cult to cope with their impending doom.

 

[bbsam]

Don’t y’all have your own thread to go cast lighting bolts in? It really bums me out watching old people being drawn to a cult to cope with their impending doom.

So you want a bunch of like minded people posting their own opinions on an opinion board just so long as they reinforce the opinions you hold?

You must be a Trump supporter.

 

[vantexan]

Don’t y’all have your own thread to go cast lighting bolts in? It really bums me out watching old people being drawn to a cult to cope with their impending doom.

Bwess yer widdle heart.

 

[El Correcto]

So you want a bunch of like minded people posting their own opinions on an opinion board just so long as they reinforce the opinions you hold?

You must be a Trump supporter.

I want law and order!
These old folks are senile and lost, guide them BB guide them right back to their geriatric center “life after brown”