Bid part time positions

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Time for change, Aug 17, 2018.

  1. Time for change

    Time for change Active Member

    Can they combo your job for a 22.4 position and make you sol on your current position?
     
  2. wide load

    wide load Starting wage is a waste of time.

    Yep
     
  3. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    Years ago when UPS started the Art 22.3 jobs, this happened to a lot of high seniority PT. Most either bid the new FT jobs or retired. Not sure what will happen with the 22.4 jobs as the contract says they will mostly be driving and only working PT on an exception basis. In the Central Region a FT must have more seniority to bump a PT out of their bid jobs. Means when Art 22.4 are not driving, they will be loading or unloading.
     
  4. gorilla75jdw

    gorilla75jdw Active Member

    At our Hub (White's Creek, Nashville Tennessee) , if you were to bid into a inside/inside 22.3 job , were as half your job said "load" the other half said "irregs" , you would not be able to come into the load portion of your job and automatically start "picking off" the belt as the (preferred position) , however once a pick off position is "vacated " you could then exercise your full time seniority , pending you are qualified ,and start picking off if you wanted to . Key argument to this is , your not bumping , the spot is vacated and you are the most senior, qualified employee .
     
  5. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Well-Known Member

    The problem is when a high seniority part timer has a bid job doing clerical work, hazmat responding, intl auditing, air driving, etc... then UPS decides to convert that work into a combo, thus displacing that person from their work.

    I have always been of the opinion that teamsters should never take work from other teamsters. This should be written into the IBT constitution
     
  6. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    I highly doubt they’ll take skilled work to make it combo with 22.4. The main goal of 22.4 is drive FT ground packages, it’s much easier to supplement the inside work as a loader/unloader/preload type jobs than ones that require specialized skills that are needed daily as well.
     
  7. opie

    opie Active Member

    I agree. Even Taylor admitted 22.4s will be driving most if not all the time. They aren't really combo jobs. No language requiring a spilt shift/combo job. They will be moving ground all the time, because it will be cheaper. Having them work inside will be more costly. As a part timer can do the job for much less.
     
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  8. Yes and No. If you have the 22.4 drivers replace one part timer along with cutting drivers overtime, they will be. Ahead of the game. If the new starting rate is $13 an hour plus around another $20 an hour in benefits for a part time employee. Lots of people may have to worry about their jobs
     
  9. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Well-Known Member

    We should never have negotiated for a higher part time starting wage. That was a dumb move. We should have left PT starting wage really low, but given them accelerated raises as they gain seniority.
     
  10. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    UPS can't fill hundreds of PT jobs right now. Not with out paying a weekly bonus that often makes their hourly rate $15 to $20/hr.
     
  11. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Well-Known Member

    thats why we should not have used negotiating leverage for starting wages. we should have saved that leverage for bigger raises for existing part timers.

    UPS would have to eventually raise starting wages on their own (non-contractual) to get people in the door. It would have been best to not waste any negotiating leverage on that issue.
     
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  12. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    Too bad you weren’t negotiating this contract

    I’ve said the same thing all along
     
  13. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    I really don't think they used too much leverage to negotiate a $13/hr starting wage.
     
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  14. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Well-Known Member

    They have some weird formula for calculating what a new contract is worth in dollars, they are always advertising it as though it is a baseline for negotiations. increasing starting pay for the part-timers, which is the largest group of UPSers, would be a significant portion of that calculation.
     
  15. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    Let us see how well UPS runs without all the PT in the large super hubs like Cach or Worldport.
     
  16. Benben

    Benben Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!


    Gee, I seem to remember someone saying that way back in January!
     
  17. specter208

    specter208 Active Member

    This may be unrelated but would appreciate an answer. Is a higher seniority FT allowed to bump me as a PTer from my regularly scheduled job (skilled btw) if they are offered extra work on their day off?
     
  18. gorilla75jdw

    gorilla75jdw Active Member

    No
     
  19. WTFm8

    WTFm8 Active Member

    ... new contract says all positions are skilled now so forget that language.
     
  20. DELACROIX

    DELACROIX In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier

    You talk about a play with words...You are all now skilled and paid the same, oops we mean that you are all now unskilled and paid the same? I believe that somewhere in this contract some members are going to lose that dollar increase associated with any future part time positions, another concession.