chicago troubles??

RockyRogue

Agent of Change
Yeah it's a violation all right. Believe me, that's not the only labor laws they are violating.

I used to work your Twilight Sort. I doubled on your Midnight Sort two or three times. Addison seems to have gone downhill in the last couple years. There is a reason anonymous report lines exist--corporate and government. -Rocky
 

local804

Well-Known Member
Hats of to the boys at the 705 for keeping your heads tall. Our local meeting went very well with the presidents ears open along with his mind. "Looks like we have to head back down there" was Howie Redmonds last words of the meeting. TDU is staging a meeting in Queens this weekend also to inform the members thier view of this whole tobasco. Alot of activities in the centers lately with the usually nonsense people being called into the office for service crosses not legible ect ect.
 

705red

Browncafe Steward
Hats of to the boys at the 705 for keeping your heads tall. Our local meeting went very well with the presidents ears open along with his mind. "Looks like we have to head back down there" was Howie Redmonds last words of the meeting. TDU is staging a meeting in Queens this weekend also to inform the members thier view of this whole tobasco. Alot of activities in the centers lately with the usually nonsense people being called into the office for service crosses not legible ect ect.
I heard that howie was speechless, and anyone that knows of howie thats unheard of. I also heard it was standing room only and brothers and sisters were in the parking lot due to full capacity. But the best one that i heard is the only people in favor of the contract were the 6 sitting up front yet howie said he hasnt looked over the contract yet! Ha lol, im also glad to see that the brothers and sisters in 804 all drove several hours a piece to attend their meeting, maybe 804 is about ready to take back there local!
 

705red

Browncafe Steward
Yeah it's a violation all right. Believe me, that's not the only labor laws they are violating. They also have a deal worked out with the clinic where they send injured employees. They,the employees, are automatically given a release to full duty regardless of their injury. This, I'm told, is for the benefit of the employee. So they don't have to return to the doctor when they are feeling better. They can just go back to work. The thing is, they now have a paper saying there is nothing wrong with them and are often pressured into working and potentially making their injury worse. Trust me when I say I have knowledge of things that go on that blow this out of the water! Time will tell all.
They must go to the addison clinic at first, but when your sitting in the clinics waiting room i would be calling your doctor to schedule an appointment with him/her for the next morning. You do not have to use the companies doctor for treatment, you have a right to see your own doctor.
 

LKLND3380

Well-Known Member
For yrears we dealt with the same problems that the rest of the country has/is going through. Even with the good contract of 97 and a decent 02 contract they still need to be inforced. If the contract does not get enforced by the members or if the the members grievances dont get enforced by the agents and locals the contract is garbage. Everything is in writing but yet you still have to file a grievance for lets say 9.5, why do we have to file? If its in the contract just pay us without the grievance! Thats what the company hopes for, bad or weak enforcement of the contract which saves the company millions if not more.


Knowledge is power... I think UPS relies on hourlies being too ignorant to read and/or understand the contract language... Too many times you have to argue with a supe or manager about what in the contract. Sad thing is one of the Preload Supes was a union steward back in the late 70s... But I can understand his confusion since there have been a few contract changes over the years - he may not know what is in the contract...
 

brownman15

Well-Known Member
Hey 705Red,
I'm a primary sorter on the midnight shift -Addison. I was wondering how I could get more involved with the Union. We've got a bunch of kids working with us and management was trying to convince them to cross lines if there were to be a strike. Add to that the constant working of sups and the numerous safety violations and hazmat mishandlings I see nightly. I won't get into the shady practices going on in the so called Safety Zone office, I'll just say I'm holding my cards till I need them. I see sups looking out for any combo guys watching them and if they feel the coast is clear, they'll work. I have also noticed the sups getting all these guys and gals to start their shift as soon as they get there - usually 10 to 15 mins before 11. The thing is, they're only paying these guys from 11 on. I did a little math and realized they are getting on average of 5 man hours for free just by doing this. I think if people, us part timers, knew who the stewards were and what the contract says, UPS would be a different place to work. How can I better inform these guys without jeopardizing my job? Can I become a steward being part time? How?
Thanks for your help

red is right come to union meeting sunday i will be there to maybe i will sit by red. bring everybody you can from midnight. if you want to get involved check to see if a stewart is needed on midnight. i also work in addison(pkg car driver)
 

Coldworld

60 months and counting
Its so interesting that ups prides themself in having "integrity", and this kind of crap that people describe on here continues to go on. I believe there needs to be a restructuring here at ups from the region level up. Do folks in atlanta know what is going on? At one time the individual centers were run like their own "company." If the business manager needed to run an extra route, they did. Then IE started dictating how many routes a center could run from, at best, sketchy forcasted package predictions. Now it seems like the region level is running the show. I wonder at what point someone stops this kind of reckless running of things. What benefit does ups have to continue to upset all levels of personnel at this company. Happy employees are productive employees, I guess someone missed that memo. No business runs perfectly, there are always problems, but ups brings on most of these things themselves. Its not just a few employees, or a "renegade" center somewhere, this is happening nationwide, at all centers and hubs. If anyone of you have ever read the ups charter, or the policy book, they just dont reflect how the ups employee is treated today. Policy book info might have been valid in 1950, but nothing that is in there is true in the ups of today. Yes, costs are up from 1950, competition is more fierce than 1950, but there is no reason, absolutely no business reasons why "employees" need to be treated like they are. It does our company no good, it is counterproductive, it cost ups more money, it gives our competition more opportunity, when ups employees are not able to rise up to their fullest potential, and instead are micromanaged, and held down. When was the last time someone in this company told you, "good job", or "thank you."
 

Steward773

Well-Known Member
Well said coldworld. Unfortunately it's all about the numbers. They treat you like a robot these days, Like they can just plug in a number and off you go. I had a guy break his ankle one day when I was on vacation. He called me and said when he called in to the center and told the center manager, the center manager yelled at him and hung up the phone.....sad:sad:
 

LKLND3380

Well-Known Member
Hey 705Red,
I'm a primary sorter on the midnight shift -Addison. I was wondering how I could get more involved with the Union. We've got a bunch of kids working with us and management was trying to convince them to cross lines if there were to be a strike. Add to that the constant working of sups and the numerous safety violations and hazmat mishandlings I see nightly. I won't get into the shady practices going on in the so called Safety Zone office, I'll just say I'm holding my cards till I need them. I see sups looking out for any combo guys watching them and if they feel the coast is clear, they'll work. I have also noticed the sups getting all these guys and gals to start their shift as soon as they get there - usually 10 to 15 mins before 11. The thing is, they're only paying these guys from 11 on. I did a little math and realized they are getting on average of 5 man hours for free just by doing this. I think if people, us part timers, knew who the stewards were and what the contract says, UPS would be a different place to work. How can I better inform these guys without jeopardizing my job? Can I become a steward being part time? How?
Thanks for your help

Any employee has the right to see a SPECIALIST and the SPECIALIST can over rule the UPS doctor... Now if you go see a NON specialist for your injury then it is just - he said she said - with little backing... A SPECIALIST has expertise that UPS's general practioner is lacking...

All you have to pay is your co-pay for the visit...
 

Brown Dog

Brown since 81
Its so interesting that ups prides themself in having "integrity", and this kind of crap that people describe on here continues to go on. I believe there needs to be a restructuring here at ups from the region level up. Do folks in atlanta know what is going on? At one time the individual centers were run like their own "company." If the business manager needed to run an extra route, they did. Then IE started dictating how many routes a center could run from, at best, sketchy forcasted package predictions. Now it seems like the region level is running the show. I wonder at what point someone stops this kind of reckless running of things. What benefit does ups have to continue to upset all levels of personnel at this company. Happy employees are productive employees, I guess someone missed that memo. No business runs perfectly, there are always problems, but ups brings on most of these things themselves. Its not just a few employees, or a "renegade" center somewhere, this is happening nationwide, at all centers and hubs. If anyone of you have ever read the ups charter, or the policy book, they just dont reflect how the ups employee is treated today. Policy book info might have been valid in 1950, but nothing that is in there is true in the ups of today. Yes, costs are up from 1950, competition is more fierce than 1950, but there is no reason, absolutely no business reasons why "employees" need to be treated like they are. It does our company no good, it is counterproductive, it cost ups more money, it gives our competition more opportunity, when ups employees are not able to rise up to their fullest potential, and instead are micromanaged, and held down. When was the last time someone in this company told you, "good job", or "thank you."
 

Brown Dog

Brown since 81
Well said Coldworld! That's exactly what's wrong with UPS- that long ago they treated their employees with respect- Jim Casey had it right, but somewhere along the line- greed and ignorance crept into upper mgmt. And now what once was a company you could be proud to work for turned into just another big-ass company that gives less than a sh** about their workers and all they care about is lining their deep pockets of the backs of our teamster brother and sisters:mad:
 

local804

Well-Known Member
The last few meetings had people jammed outside that couldnt fit into the union hall. The NYC 804 members all come in buses and as soon as they unload, it gets messy. Howie would have been very dumb if he popped his mouth at any member during this meeting and I am sure he knew it. He made a comment at the last meeting that will bite him and his crew in the ass pretty shortly. Just like we work for UPS, Howie works for us and sometimes he forgets it. We have one battle ahead of us and the loadmouth isnt going to make it 2.
 
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