Covid Vaccinations

[dmac1]

There are just as many cases because the Delta variant is much more contagious. But there aren't even half as many deaths. Viruses tend to mutate into something milder over time. Otherwise all pandemics would last until either everyone is dead or herd immunity is achieved through natural immunity acquired from surviving the virus.

There are half as many deaths becasue1/2 the people now are vaccinated. Nothing else. Otherwise half the current deaths would be among the vaccinated instead of less than 1%.

 

[dmac1]

And yet most of those dead were from the previous strain, not from Delta.

And now, there will be 300k additional dead in about the same time frame because half the population is vaccinated.

 

[dmac1]

Doesn't matter. The Delta variant has spread through tens of millions of people and most are unvaccinated just as most people were unvaccinated last year and early this year. What matters is the number of deaths per million and so far Delta isn't killing at even half the rate of the original strain. And the number of deaths and cases are starting to drop off. I know that's disappointing since you want to crush Republicans politically but you'll just have to live with a higher survivability rate.

It is very close to half the rate per million because half the people are vaccinated, And because most of the most vulnerable are vaccinated, and the death rate among the unvaccinated is consistent from the start after the first few months, it shows that the Delta variant is more deadly even among the 'invulnerable' people. If the vaccines weren't working, death rates among the vaccinated would be identical, or even higher, due to the larger number of vulnerable people being vaccinated.

 

[dmac1]

Doesn't matter. The Delta variant has spread through tens of millions of people and most are unvaccinated just as most people were unvaccinated last year and early this year. What matters is the number of deaths per million and so far Delta isn't killing at even half the rate of the original strain. And the number of deaths and cases are starting to drop off. I know that's disappointing since you want to crush Republicans politically but you'll just have to live with a higher survivability rate.

Instead of 3000 per day dying, we now have 1500 a day dying, and about 50% of the population is fully vaccinated. You are saying that is just a coincidence.

 

[Artee]

Look for a $200 surcharge on your health insurance if you aren't vaccinated. The unvaccinated are at greater risk of hospitalization and cost a lot more. As the number of unvaccinated gors down, expect the surcharge to go up. There is no reason the vaccinated should be paying for the cost of the vaccinated. Refuse the vaccine if you want, you are free to do so, but be ready to pay the costs. And for those who don't think there are costs to remaining unvaccinated, the surcharges have already startd. And private companies can mandate that unvaccinated workers have to pay for their own testing, at a facility they choose. There is no right of continues employment ANYWHERE there is no union with a bargaining agreement in effect. Private companies can make employess do a jig or sit in a closet for an hour per day if they want.

Private employers can require whatever vaccination they want. And because it is now legal for them to require vaccinations, if you refuse, you are effectively quitting. You will not be eligible for federal UI benefits, even if some states may allow benefits. But then expect the federal government to withdraw any federal unemployment support for states that don't match federal rules.

New flash for you. The vast majority of people who catch Covid do not go to the hospital. Are you one of those liberals that believe that if you have the Fauchi Ouchie that you are going to live and that if you don't you are going to end up on a vent and/or die? I bet you will be surprised when you find out the truth.

 

[dmac1]

But it isn't private employers demanding it, it's Biden and the government demanding it.

No- the government is is okay if private employers want to mandate it. The US government is only mandating certain emploteesget mandated- not fedex workers. But if fedex mandates it, you need to comply or give up your job.

 

[dmac1]

New flash for you. The vast majority of people who catch Covid do not go to the hospital. Are you one of those liberals that believe that if you have the Fauchi Ouchie that you are going to live and that if you don't you are going to end up on a vent and/or die? I bet you will be surprised when you find out the truth.

I am one of those not afraid of the vaccine and thinks that the antivaxxers are idiots who like tin-foil on their heads. I think people who face higher risk by choice SHOULD pay higher insurance rates, just like in car insurance.

 

[dmac1]

There are exceptions. You can get unemployment even if you quit under certain circumstances. You should be able to get unemployment for refusing a vaccine. There is no misconduct in refusing to have a needle poked in you. Now obviously I could be proven wrong, but it seems likely you should be able to get it if you're fired. Could you get unemployment for quitting for not getting the vaccine? Possibly, but not as likely. And as far as suing, you'd have more standing if they fired you vs you quit. That's why I say let them fire you. If you really want to muddy the water, don't admit or deny if you're vaccinated. Just refuse to answer and get fired.

If the vaccine is a reasonable measure, then you can be fired for refusing a reasonable request. If you have a valid medical exemption for refusing, you should be eligible for unemployment. But because states get federal support for uninsurance, more states than not will not allow UI for anyone without medical exemptions. If someone has ever gotten a tetanus shot, or had their kids get childhood vaccinations, those people will have no basis for saying they are religiously opposed to vaccinations.

 

[dmac1]

Oh I agree, don’t quit. But these rats will probably make it so you can’t collect either.

It will all come down to whether requiring a vaccine to work among others or with customers is considered as a reasonable request. So far, it IS really only the unreasonable who won't be vaccinated if they don't have a medical reason.

 

[UnionStrong]

If the vaccine is a reasonable measure, then you can be fired for refusing a reasonable request. If you have a valid medical exemption for refusing, you should be eligible for unemployment. But because states get federal support for uninsurance, more states than not will not allow UI for anyone without medical exemptions. If someone has ever gotten a tetanus shot, or had their kids get childhood vaccinations, those people will have no basis for saying they are religiously opposed to vaccinations.

You’re opinion

 

[dmac1]

LOL - just keep believing that mainstream media propaganda and not doing your own research. But if you do decide to seek out some verifiable facts, take a look at what's happening in Israel now - the most "vaccinated" country in the world. And while you're at it, you might want to look up A.D.E.. But let's have this conversation again in 2023, when the clinical trials for these shots are completed, and see how all of you that signed up to be a part of them are doing then. I've chosen to be part of the control group myself.

You just made a great argument for booster shots. Many vaccines require booster shot. Tetanus is one example that most people may remember getting if you have ever gotten a cut requiring medical attention. First thing you may be asked is when your last tetanus shot was.

 

[UnionStrong]

It will all come down to whether requiring a vaccine to work among others or with customers is considered as a reasonable request. So far, it IS really only the unreasonable who won't be vaccinated if they don't have a medical reason.

 

[dmac1]

Well ya, Biden turning Afghanistan over to terrorists allied with communist China will leave us weaker diplomatically and militarily. Tensions are going to escalate, and the military industrial complex will grow.

Let China have Afghanistan. It is their turn. If they get in there, there won't be any terrorists left in 5 years.

 

[UnionStrong]

Instead of 3000 per day dying, we now have 1500 a day dying, and about 50% of the population is fully vaccinated. You are saying that is just a coincidence.

 

[Ou812fu]

And now, there will be 300k additional dead in about the same time frame because half the population is vaccinated.

LOL, delusional. Check the facts. There are plenty of people that got the shots that are dieing. Wake up.. You truly need to. M

 

[BadLarry238]

Not true- fedex mandates that you were clothing in their locations but they don't pay for anything but a uniform. They mandate that you have a driver's license if you are a driver, but they don't pay for it. They don't pay for ANY of your personal care products, but they require a basic level of personal care.

That's far reaching...you're making a lot of sh** up as you go just to justify your ed up point of view.

You don't need a driver's license...just ask all the off the street people FedEx busses in to the Memphis hub from Jackson, MS every night if they have a license...plus FedEx pays for your CDL, uniforms, PPE, etc.

And yes, if, and that's a big if, FedEx mandates vaccines or weekly tests, they'll be required to pay for them.

 

[dmac1]

Oh so Trump is Hitler.....
Meanwhile you fascist Democraps want people to lose their jobs and be denied medical care.

You people struggle with self awareness.
Very sad.

It seems to be democrats who authored and passed the ACA and who is trying to get everyone vaccinated. But if people refuse to do something simple and end up costing all taxpayers more when hospitalized by their choice, they should pay, just like smokers should pay more for life insurance, and people who continually drive over the speed limits should pay more for autoinsurance.

 

[dmac1]

LOL, delusional. Check the facts. There are plenty of people that got the shots that are dieing. Wake up.. You truly need to. M

Very few- about 1%, making the vaccines about 99% effective at preventing death. And even if it was 10% of deaths that were vaccinated, it would make the vaccine around 90% effective in preventing death. If the vaccine wasn't effective in preventing deaths, the number of deaths would be pretty equally split between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

 

[vantexan]

There are half as many deaths becasue1/2 the people now are vaccinated. Nothing else. Otherwise half the current deaths would be among the vaccinated instead of less than 1%.

They look at deaths per million cases. Doesn't matter that half the population is vaccinated. Among known cases the death rate of the Delta variant is less than half the original strain. And case numbers are going down.

 

[dmac1]

LOL, delusional. Check the facts. There are plenty of people that got the shots that are dieing. Wake up.. You truly need to. M

1500 per day are dying now vs around 3000 during the earlier wave. 50% vaccinated seems to equal a 50% reduction in deaths. All true.