Right or wrong, if medical science is all that stands between living and dying who else do you turn to? After all Oral Roberts the faith healer has long since departed.
Covid Vaccinations
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wilberforce15
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It's not me or us vs science.
It's a minority of scientists, including some of the most qualified people in the world, against the majority of scientists.
And just what does those minority scientists have to offer as a proven, equally effective alternative course of action when it comes to combating the worst pandemic in a century?
wilberforce15
Well-Known Member
You could read them. You know. Expand your mind.
Other words.... You don't have anything. But rest assured if the efforts of that majority of scientists has produced a treatment that can save your life and that minority doesn't, rest assured you'll abandon the minority and side with the majority. It's all about living versus dying and that is what this entire thread is all about.
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
Wrong. It’s about living versus a risk of dying.
Someone once said “Give me liberty, or give me death!”
It’s not one or the other, it’s a personal choice to take the risk.
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
What is the meaning of healthy skepticism?
Skepticism can be simply defined as the doctrine that true knowledge or knowledge in a particular area is uncertain. ... Healthy skepticism is when you're not doubting something just for the sake of it and you are questioning things to discover a truth that will help you arrive at a logical decision.
Skepticism can be simply defined as the doctrine that true knowledge or knowledge in a particular area is uncertain. ... Healthy skepticism is when you're not doubting something just for the sake of it and you are questioning things to discover a truth that will help you arrive at a logical decision.
Exactly, but when faced with death that could have been easily been prevented that person will make use of every available means in order to continue to live including seeking access to the medical science they previously rejected.
Earlier this PM the local hospital released numbers that reflect a sizeable increase in the number of COVID admissions along with the blunt statement that the new admissions would not need to be there if they had simply become vaccinated. And you have to wonder just how many of those unnecessary COVID medical claims will have to be paid by Medicaid .
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
Isn't this one of those socialized government programs that you endorse? Is socialized medicine reserved only for those who toe the party line? If it's not unilaterally available to all citizens who need it, how can you claim it is social medicine?
No- it does not if you are talking about the boost of immunity you get from catching the deadly disease. People have been clinically shown to have cleared the virus and then been reinfected in as little as 76 days. Sotrry that you were ignorant of that fact.
And if vaccinated, they have even less chance of dying
The ACA covers private insurers, and private insurers can raise rates they charge employers for the group plans. . So if an emploer has a low rate of vaccinated employees, the insurer CAN raise rates for all employees in the particular group plan. Clearly, you misread, or misunderstood , but employers with fewer vaccinated employees can and will be paying higher rates. And they WILL pass those costs onto the employees. And if a company is self insured, and sees that unvaccinated employees cost more, as Delta airlines saw, then it can make the unvaccinated pay more, and if they MUST make all employees pay the same rate by some law, the employer can raise rates for everyone, and then give vaccinated employees a 'bonus' and effectively, the unvaccinated would pay more. One way or another being unvaccinated is going to cost you more eventually.
But there is a greater risk of fetal death among unvaccinated women because unvaccinated women are just more likely to get covid. Even though the vaccine may not have been 'proven' safe, it is stll less deadly for pregnant women than being unvaccinated if they do catch covid. In Mississippi, just recently, 7 pregnant women , other wise healthy, died from covid, and on baby was saved by C-section after mother died.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
And similar studies have indicated that influenza cases are way down BECAUSE the steps against covid spread are even more effective against influenza- less travel, more distance between people, fewer large gatherings, and masks are ALL effective against influenza spread. If you are surprised that influenze cases are down, you clearly don't understand much.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
You mean the FBI rally?
fedx
Extra Large Package
It's funny how the same people who used to claim healthcare is a human right are now wanting unvaccinated people to not receive medical attention for anything from a broken arm to a heart stent. Shows what a bunch of lying frauds they are.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Or if they simply stayed home and took some Tylenol...
HALF of hospitalized Covid patients have mild or asymptomatic cases
A new study found that up until early January 2021, 36% of hospitalized Covid patients had mild or asymptomatic cases. This figure rose to 48% by June 2021, after the vaccines became widespread.
The point is that low vaccine rates will increase medicaid costs- either adding to debt or necessitating cuts elsewhere or increased taxes. Being unvaccinated makes one more likely to be a burden on society. This isn't a point about the value of socialized medicine, it is a point that if socialized medicine exists, being unvaccinated raises the cost for everyone.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
You left wingers sure like to spread Russian disinformation....
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John Weaver, a longtime G.O.P. operative who advised John McCain and John Kasich, made sexual overtures to young men, sometimes offering to help them get work in politics.
You people are so gullible lol
But if you need to catch the disease to gain the added immunity, you still have a greater risk of dying just getting to the same point as if you were vaccinated, and ALL the science shows that even if you previously had ovid, you can still catch it again- in at least 9000 cases- within 6 months- and still die from it. 7 people died out of 9000 documented with covid for the second time within 6 months, That is approximately the same rate as the number of vaccinated people who get covid, who die. And that just about says it all. You want people to risk dying to become immune once, for a brief period, and still end up with about the same risk of dying again as if they had the vaccine. And because even the so called natural immunity wanes, people reading this crap may thing they have life long immunity and no chance of dying from a second case, if they survived the first case. And the argument that natural immunity is 6-7 times better (at first) than a vaccine is a reason for booster shots. Instead of possibly catching covid and dying to boost immunity, just get the vaccine. NO ONE has developed covid from getting the imunity the vaccine gives. Some people are just sooooo afraid of a tiny shot in the arm, and would rather have 100 times the risk of death vs getting vaccinated as compared to someone unvaccinated who has never had covid. Almost EVERYONE who has had a severe case of covid wants to be vaccinated once they recover, if they recover, and increase their odds against getting it again.
