Covid vaccine.

Dumbo

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So that we can get things moving again? Get small businesses back. Get lost jobs back. Encourage commerce again. We can’t have a society BASED on commerce full of people who don’t want to freaking commerce.
I’m not trying to be purposefully obtuse towards you or make light of your point whatsoever. It’s a valid point. If the disease has a 99 % survival rate, why get vaxed?
The thing is, anybody expressing that sentiment, either DOESNT have somebody close to them predisposed to serious medical issues, or doesn’t see them enough to care.
It’s just one side. There’s plenty of reason to get it, just as there’s plenty of reasons to not
So basically we should be held hostage so some drug companies that only a few years ago people blamed for the opioid epidemic and numerous cancers can make billions? No. We can get things moving again without the vaccine. Those with health conditions should social distance, they should be educated on proper ways to build their immune system. The left used to PROTEST these monstrous companies. They used to fight censorship. Now they have done a 180 and support the things they used to be against.
 

Netsua 3:16

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So basically we should be held hostage so some drug companies that only a few years ago people blamed for the opioid epidemic and numerous cancers can make billions? No. We can get things moving again without the vaccine. Those with health conditions should social distance, they should be educated on proper ways to build their immune system. The left used to PROTEST these monstrous companies. They used to fight censorship. Now they have done a 180 and support the things they used to be against.
You’re being held hostage?
Don’t get the vax
 

Netsua 3:16

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I've had plenty, and if I had a good reason to again, I would. No problem



I never said no way I'm getting it. My price to be part of ongoing safety trials for experimental drugs is $5 million, two months in advance.


Me defending my rights protects yours as well. See, there's one place that logic actually works.


Where did I say that? Are you projecting again?


Not sure you do.


What you mistake for fear and trepidation is actually called prudence.


Nope, reckless, maybe. Not getting paid to be experimented on is kinda dumb, though.


See comment above.
I mean, you understand these questions with the comments you’ve made in this thread, right? You open yourself up to these questions with your choice of words. I’m literally just trying to understand
 

Darmark7

Retired 2020. Not my Problem Anymore!
I haven’t given up any rights. I made a choice
Hope this helps 🙄
Jfc
There are many people that have lost their jobs, businesses and conveniences because of rights taken away. We have all lost rights we had before this plandemic hit. Some are just to blind to see.
 

Netsua 3:16

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No but based on your own statement "so we can get things moving again" that is essentially what you are saying. Give in to them so we can open things back up.
I’m a UPS driver, I don’t RELY on “getting things moving again.”
I am NOT giving in.
I’m choosing to contribute, because it’s no skin off my back, and the extra protection makes me, and the several people close to me with health issues, feel more comfortable.
That’s it. I don’t believe that this is a “righteous hill to die on,” that is your choice to take such a stance in the name of your personal liberty.
To me, it’s like “dude, take a friend’ing chill pill. They’re not coming to get us”
 

Dumbo

Well-Known Member
I’m a UPS driver, I don’t RELY on “getting things moving again.”
I am NOT giving in.
I’m choosing to contribute, because it’s no skin off my back, and the extra protection makes me, and the several people close to me with health issues, feel more comfortable.
That’s it. I don’t believe that this is a “righteous hill to die on,” that is your choice to take such a stance in the name of your personal liberty.
To me, it’s like “dude, take a friend’ing chill pill. They’re not coming to get us”
I respect your choice. The issues are with the campaign to force it on everyone in society or face consequences. That's a very dangerous slope we have started down.

Again though, where are the explanations and science as to why this is so vital to get? Nobody can show science based on the low mortality rate of the virus.
 

Netsua 3:16

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I respect your choice. The issues are with the campaign to force it on everyone in society or face consequences. That's a very dangerous slope we have started down.
I am paying very close attention to how things are going to develop. From a purely investigatory, non biased point of view.
 

Netsua 3:16

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Again though, where are the explanations and science as to why this is so vital to get? Nobody can show science based on the low mortality rate of the virus.
It’s very basic.
A person predisposed to certain Heath issues has a MUCH GREATER chance to get seriously Ill or die from covid. Agreed?
Keeping this in mind, we get vaccinated so as to not limit the amount of commerce in the country.
We want EVERYBODY spending, and contributing
The only way to achieve that is to largely eviscerate the virus. The vaccine expedites this process.
And we don’t just freaking let people die because “Mother Nature and personal choice?”
Is that crazy to understand?
 

Dumbo

Well-Known Member
So everyone should put their health at risk from corrupt drug companies that are on par with the drug cartels in Mexico as far as ethics go to protect a sliver of the population as opposed to limiting the exposure of the virus to that small sliver through natural and healthy means. Got it. The virus has already made its way through society. It's mutated to become less deadly but more transmissible. It's over for covid, yet NOW let's push this untested drug and force it on everyone or threaten them with consequences? Again, where is the science on how this is supposed to help anything? You can still spread it even vaccinated, which is why they say to still wear a mask.
 

Netsua 3:16

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So everyone should put their health at risk from corrupt drug companies that are on par with the drug cartels in Mexico as far as ethics go to protect a sliver of the population as opposed to limiting the exposure of the virus to that small sliver through natural and healthy means. Got it. The virus has already made its way through society. It's mutated to become less deadly but more transmissible. It's over for covid, yet NOW let's push this untested drug and force it on everyone or threaten them with consequences?
I’m not forcing it on you. I’m not threatening you with consequences.
But if you want to be a capitalist, then you gotta understand why corporate America wants you to get the shot. It doesn’t have to be so sinister, it’s very basic.
 

Dumbo

Well-Known Member
I’m not forcing it on you. I’m not threatening you with consequences.
But if you want to be a capitalist, then you gotta understand why corporate America wants you to get the shot. It doesn’t have to be so sinister, it’s very basic.
Of course YOU aren't. It's the official position of the US government though.
 

Darmark7

Retired 2020. Not my Problem Anymore!
I’m not forcing it on you. I’m not threatening you with consequences.
But if you want to be a capitalist, then you gotta understand why corporate America wants you to get the shot. It doesn’t have to be so sinister, it’s very basic.
Netsua 3:16 … I’m guessing you are a younger guy, under 40 yrs old? You trust the government (probably not Trump) A busy guy that works has fun enjoys your family and life. Am I right about that?
 

bottomups

Bad Moon Risen'
Meantime, in the United States, covid cases are up 94 percent in two weeks. Another surge, and this is the pattern behavior all over the world. it goes up, goes down, it goes up again.
94%... 23,000 daily averages in the USA, but it's double what it was two weeks ago.
The worst states for covid right now are Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, Kansas and Louisiana, low vaxxed states. You don't get the vax, you could get Covid, you got a much bigger chance to get it, and then you spread it.
All :censored2:hole states.
 

Netsua 3:16

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Netsua 3:16 … I’m guessing you are a younger guy, under 40 yrs old? You trust the government (probably not Trump) A busy guy that works has fun enjoys your family and life. Am I right about that?
I do not “trust” my government in the way that you are asserting….no. Ex: I have never voted for president, because I think the process is a sham.
I DO trust that their motivation in pushing the shots on me, is purely financial and industrial, and not a part of some sinister plot.
 
Some people think there's a conspiracy, others think they're chemists, some just do what they're told. For some of us, like me, it's just as simple as the virus isn't that scary. The numbers suggest that it is twice as deadly as the flu, that isn't intimidating. I don't get the flu shot, and in seasons in which the flu has been nearly twice as prevalent, I still haven't taken it. I'm just not afraid of getting it again, and I don't feel the need. Pretty simple really. I respect the choice to get it, I just want the same respect in return. The narrative that I'm not doing my part is pretty sickening. This isn't polio or smallpox, this is less than one-half of one percent lethal.
 

Darmark7

Retired 2020. Not my Problem Anymore!
I do not “trust” my government in the way that you are asserting….no. Ex: I have never voted for president, because I think the process is a sham.
I DO trust that their motivation in pushing the shots on me, is purely financial and industrial, and not a part of some sinister plot.
Good enough,
I don't trust the government from what I have seen and studied over the years. I also think the shots are purely financial but only for Big Pharma (which pretty much runs the government's decisions) Do research on Big Pharma and their goal is not to make us well it is to keep us sick and dependent on them for more medicine to make us need even more medicine. My study and belief in this is why I don't want anything they have to offer.
 
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