Democrats: When the commie stuff happens: will you embrace it?

sailfish

Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone

Here's some Commie stuff for ya. Is this what the Biden United States will become?
There already was a website that mapped out names and addresses of anyone who donated to Trump's campaign. Obviously with ill intent.


They now seem to have changed the site to "donor.watch" and it claims to doxx all affiliations but I already tried it and it's not comprehensive at all. Unfortunately for them the Web Archive exists.
 

quad decade guy

Well-Known Member
So since it's on our shores now is it time to go into the cabinet and pick out my weapon of choice. Which way am I going to point it? Careul. In too many ways we have become our own worst enemies
Since you are liberal....careful. How long will you have that weapon? Confiscation will at least be tried by tax and a pen. Notice I said tried....good luck.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
If Democrats wanted to go down that road, they had plenty of candidates much further left. Believe it or not, there's a lot of moderate Democrats elected in KS, MO, FL, TX, etc where that's not going to fly - this is merely a Fox/right-wing narrative. Expand healthcare? Put back in place common sense environmental regulations? Infrastructure and clean energy spending? Sure. But nobody's advocated for general government takeover of industry - this is, frankly, demagoguery to scare boomers and the uneducated. And even if they attempted such a thing, we can elect an entirely new House of Representatives and 1/3 of the senate in two years. Easy peasy.

Speaking of government takeover, I didn't hear any complaints from the right when they voted for Trump's tax cuts, which doubled the national deficit and added an unprecedented $7 trillion of debt in four years.
thats a naive position to take. the only thing that may slow down the liberal nonsense is a narrower margin in the house and a republican controlled senate. thats the problem with this election you have a lot of people voting that believe this kind of nonsense. thats how obamacare got voted in and young voters suddenly found theirselves paying a health insurance penalty.
 

thecamel

Waiting to put the re in front of tired
Since you are liberal....careful. How long will you have that weapon? Confiscation will at least be tried by tax and a pen. Notice I said tried....good luck.
Not certain of the label but ok. If liberals get to keep their guns then whatever, because mine were expensive and confiscation would piss me off. I do believe that guns are most certainly confiscated from criminals and restricted from felons. I'm ok with that too. Oh and yeah, if the criminal is found not guilty in court then he gets his guns back. Because this is america.
 

Macbrother

Well-Known Member
The only reason Biden will be some what “moderate” is because they don’t have the Supreme Court or the senate. Yes democrats love their power and don’t want to lose it. But they are also ideologues driven by some utopian vision they have. Look at how they behaved when Obama took office and they controlled the legislature. They didn’t care if they lost seats, they made hay while the sun was shining.

The founders were radicals to, their radical utopia was a place where the federal government didn’t give you rights, it protected them. You were not born with a right to healthcare, you were not born with the right to trespass on another man’s property or force other human beings to bake you a cake. All of that is marxist claptrap brought on by others being pissed or failing at achieving anything with their own freedom.

Also what’s there to fix about your healthcare? You got great insurance and access to the most innovative treatments from the greatest healthcare system mankind has ever had. You used your freedom wisely, congrats. No need to feel guilty about it.
Why do you believe Americans have a right to security, (Police, military) education, fire protection, but not health? Do you also believe we should get rid of social security for the disabled? Medicare for the elderly? Should we get rid of all of these "socialistic" programs entirely? Even in a capitalist society, the goal is equality of opportunity, correct? You think that can be achieved, by the masses, if some have access to top quality healthcare and a huge swath of society have none?

Furthermore, if an uninsured person goes out and gets hit by a bus - who do you think pays for that? If an uninsured person doesn't get a colonoscopy because he can't afford a doctor, then gets cancer and goes to the ER, who do you think pays for that? The United States has a vested interest in a healthy society. You disagree? Fine. That's why we have elections.
With all respect: I can't tell if you are idiotic or just foolish. The moderate Democrats will vote.....wait for it....Democrat! You know

Obamacare? Cross voting? Only by rino Republicans. They do want to go down that road? They've been saying it for years!

Obama/Biden's campaign was started in Bill Ayers(Weather Underground)(communist) living room. Commie Harris: Endorses and is

supported by BLM/antifa. Openly commie organizations. Openly. All these "moderate" demos in these otherwise red states? They vote

far left Democrat(that's all there is). The destruction will be breathtaking. Right wing narrative? How about left wing facts! AOC, the

whole crowd-it's all there in plain sight. Somali communist in Michigan! No? In plain sight. And those farther left candidates? They

backdoored one (Harris)....just like that. Speaking of government takeover of industry? Let's see, ban fracking? Airline travel. Eliminate

ICE cars. Just ban oil altogether. Tax Tax Tax. Confiscate wealth? Mandate all the way down to what bathrooms we will be forced to use.

How about just shutting down all restaurants? Even your kids soccer game.


So, I'd love for you to refute every point. You(like every moderate democrat) try to soft pedal what your party stands for. Look

around(in plain sight). You paint a picture of moderation. BS. Skip the generic platitudes. It's all there.
Republicans are your tribe - and Trump is your chieftan. I get it. Republicans are just, and right, and Democrats are stupid, and evil. That's your view, and you're welcome to it. I am independent - center - moderate, and couldn't care less about your tribal demagoguery. You are welcome to spin that wheel and fight that fight, and good luck to you. All I care about is common sense policy.

Be honest. Much of that debt is from stimulus packages due to the virus. And the tax cuts lead to business expansion, job growth, and more revenue. Unfortunately they spent more than they took in(with plenty of help from the Democrats).
Even before the virus, Trump was running up deficits over $1 trillion / year, and achieved what? His best year of GDP was 2.9%, for an average of 2.5% per year. (Obama, by comparison, was 2.4% per year) He got unemployment down to 3.6%, great, but what was it when he took office? 4.7%. So he improved GDP growth by .1% per year and improved unemployment by 1.1% - at the cost of doubling the national deficit. I'm supposed to be impressed by that? This is economic genius? He juiced a 10 year bull market by adding generational debt and called it the best economy ever - and ya'll lapped it up because it's exactly what you wanted to hear.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
His best year of GDP was 2.9%, for an average of 2.5% per year. (Obama, by comparison, was 2.4% per year) He got unemployment down to 3.6%, great, but what was it when he took office? 4.7%. So he improved GDP growth by .1% per year and improved unemployment by 1.1% - at the cost of doubling the national deficit. I'm supposed to be impressed by that? This is economic genius? He juiced a 10 year bull market by adding generational debt and called it the best economy ever - and ya'll lapped it up because it's exactly what you wanted to hear.

He made it possible for businesses to expand and keep more profit. That not only resulted in more jobs but competition for employees increased, raising wages. Unemployment for minorities and women was the lowest ever. Yes his deficits were high but in order to get military spending he wanted he had to make a deal with Democrats who wanted more spending. And he had a ways to go to catch Obama who by far spent more than anyone. Don't argue that Obama was saving the economy because he could have let businesses fail. Short term pain instead of putting it on taxpayers for generations. Business can reorganize under bankruptcy laws. All we got for 8 years of Obama was stagnation. Under Trump we were getting growth until the virus hit. And too many Democratic precincts were determined to shut down to hurt Trump's economy. Shutdowns did more damage than the virus.
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
He made it possible for businesses to expand and keep more profit. That not only resulted in more jobs but competition for employees increased, raising wages. Unemployment for minorities and women was the lowest ever. Yes his deficits were high but in order to get military spending he wanted he had to make a deal with Democrats who wanted more spending. And he had a ways to go to catch Obama who by far spent more than anyone. Don't argue that Obama was saving the economy because he could have let businesses fail. Short term pain instead of putting it on taxpayers for generations. Business can reorganize under bankruptcy laws. All we got for 8 years of Obama was stagnation. Under Trump we were getting growth until the virus hit. And too many Democratic precincts were determined to shut down to hurt Trump's economy. Shutdowns did more damage than the virus.
Even when presented with the actual data for growth you stick to your lies about Obama and your lies praising Trump. Keep up defending your one term loser with lies.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Why do you believe Americans have a right to security, (Police, military) education, fire protection, but not health? Do you also believe we should get rid of social security for the disabled? Medicare for the elderly? Should we get rid of all of these "socialistic" programs entirely? Even in a capitalist society, the goal is equality of opportunity, correct? You think that can be achieved, by the masses, if some have access to top quality healthcare and a huge swath of society have none?

Furthermore, if an uninsured person goes out and gets hit by a bus - who do you think pays for that? If an uninsured person doesn't get a colonoscopy because he can't afford a doctor, then gets cancer and goes to the ER, who do you think pays for that? The United States has a vested interest in a healthy society. You disagree? Fine. That's why we have elections.
There’s a big difference in funding police, fire departments and pathetic as it is our education system. You will destroy healthcare in this society and all the countries that piggy back off America. Our system does all the heavy lifting when it comes to new treatments.

You are not just talking about chipping in so we all get healthcare, like you commies like to pretend. You are talking about price controls, determining what treatments will be available, does a person have to lose an eye first before the other is considered necessary, how much doctors make, the equipment hospital can have and prices to use it. It goes even further than that with you ReRes.

It a slippery slope from we have a vested interest in a healthy society, to taxing the :censored2: out of the unhealthy cheap foods to prevent people from eating them. Determining what kind of motorcycles others are allowed to own, what kind of cars they can drive. Of course any regulation like this will behind a do what I say not what I do tax that keep to poor stupid Americans in line with your belief system.
 
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burrheadd

KING Of GIFS
Maybe. What about in between? The border for example: Biden can open it up with just a key stroke. And will. It cannot be undone.

But see, Democrats vote as a block. "They" might not "go for it" but will vote for it anyway. Because they have to. Told to. Sure you'll

have one or two but one is enough. Healthcare? Ok. Kiss your UPS healthcare goodbye. See, the cure can't be more destructive than

the problem. IT IS TOO LATE. And the border? Texas goes blue(it will).....it's truly all over with.

If it’s so terrible maybe you should move to Canada or maybe Mexico
 

burrheadd

KING Of GIFS
My Father-in-Law: angry. GD Republicans. GD Trump. Hitler. Nazis. Wow. Stems from something about a steel mill 50 years ago....
88 years old. Christian. Army Vet. High school education.

My Daughter: angry. Far left Bernie supporter. Master degreed public school teacher....inner city. Devastated when removed from our insurance at 26. Therefore we need free healthcare....28 years old. Her and her husband: breathtakingly liberal. She couldn't be more different than us(wife/me). Scary. "Socialism! What's wrong with that Dad?"

Sounds like you didn’t do a very good job raising her
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Many founders believed you had the right to own other human beings if their skin was black. So I think you’re a bit off on this one.
Yeah and most of the European powers that “abolished” slavery, really just out sourced it to places like the Congo and South America, where they decided to just cut out the middle men and conquer the continent.

America in a vacuum... that’s all you self hating jamestownians understand. It’s been a pretty great and the most progressive country in the world through out its history.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Exact same trend lines as under Trump up until Trump destroyed it all.
Nope, you're trying to give Obama credit for Trump's roaring economy. Obama gave us stagnation. Said those jobs aren't coming back. Threw away a lot of money. And allowed Biden and Clinton to use their offices to enrich themselves. I wonder how much his cut was?
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
Nope, you're trying to give Obama credit for Trump's roaring economy. Obama gave us stagnation. Said those jobs aren't coming back. Threw away a lot of money. And allowed Biden and Clinton to use their offices to enrich themselves. I wonder how much his cut was?
Lies. When the data doesn’t back you up you double down on lies. Pathetic.
 
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