Easy Win For President Trump?

[Fred's Myth]

If you're determined to find opinion pieces claiming that universal healthcare will bankrupt us they are easy to find, but in every real world example costs are lower, not higher.

And cost is the only determining factor?

Why do you think foreign medical students want to come to the U.S.?

 

[Jones]

And cost is the only determining factor?

Why do you think foreign medical students want to come to the U.S.?

Costs + outcomes.

 

[newfie]

In every real world example, comparable countries (ie first world democracies) with universal healthcare have significantly lower healthcare costs and better healthcare outcomes. Anyone telling you that we can't afford universal healthcare is either badly misinformed or lying.

How does health spending in the U.S. compare to other countries?

How does the quality of the U.S. healthcare system compare to other countries?

good graphs its just terrible what Obamacare has done to our healthcare system

 

[vantexan]

Not true. Some have higher unemployment, some have lower unemployment, some have about the same. If universal healthcare was a driver for unemployment then all those countries really would have higher unemployment, but that's clearly not the case.

Interesting, which have lower unemployment?

 

[Jones]

Interesting, which have lower unemployment?

Switzerland, Germany, Japan are lower. UK and a few others are about the same. Italy and France are higher.

 

[vantexan]

Switzerland, Germany, Japan are lower. UK and a few others are about the same. Italy and France are higher.

So wealthy countries with much smaller populations.

 

[Jones]

So wealthy countries with much smaller populations.

and?

 

[vantexan]

and?

Much easier to do but the EU has been suffering lately. Will be interesting to see how long they can keep it together. Japan has issues too. Been in stagflation since the 90's and it's population is one of the oldest in the world. It's the side of things that healthcare for all proponents never discuss. You can implement it. Can you sustain it? With the trillions a year needed for the plans they are coming up with it looks like the answer is no.

 

[It will be fine]

Much easier to do but the EU has been suffering lately. Will be interesting to see how long they can keep it together. Japan has issues too. Been in stagflation since the 90's and it's population is one of the oldest in the world. It's the side of things that healthcare for all proponents never discuss. You can implement it. Can you sustain it? With the trillions a year needed for the plans they are coming up with it looks like the answer is no.

You pretend the current system won’t cost anything. The real question is the difference.

 

[Jones]

Much easier to do but the EU has been suffering lately. Will be interesting to see how long they can keep it together. Japan has issues too. Been in stagflation since the 90's and it's population is one of the oldest in the world. It's the side of things that healthcare for all proponents never discuss. You can implement it. Can you sustain it? With the trillions a year needed for the plans they are coming up with it looks like the answer is no.

Economies go through cycles, it has nothing to do with universal healthcare. We've had periods of high unemployment in the USA before and nobody blamed it on our healthcare system.

 

[vantexan]

Economies go through cycles, it has nothing to do with universal healthcare. We've had periods of high unemployment in the USA before and nobody blamed it on our healthcare system.

Nope, it's the drag entitlements put on an economy. Too many entitlements, economy crashes. Look at Greece. And that can start a chain reaction with banks in other countries who made loans to countries like Greece. You can implement those programs. Can you sustain them?

 

[vantexan]

You pretend the current system won’t cost anything. The real question is the difference.

Costs plenty, too much actually. But can they come up with a system that works that's also cost effective?

 

[Jones]

Nope, it's the drag entitlements put on an economy. Too many entitlements, economy crashes. Look at Greece. And that can start a chain reaction with banks in other countries who made loans to countries like Greece. You can implement those programs. Can you sustain them?

You're just waving your hands around and jabbering now, none of that has anything to do with universal healthcare. All those countries with universal healthcare have significantly lower healthcare costs per capita than the US.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

and?

And they're not as unhealthy as Americans. Stop being a liar, it doesn't suit you.

 

[vantexan]

You're just waving your hands around and jabbering now, none of that has anything to do with universal healthcare. All those countries with universal healthcare have significantly lower healthcare costs per capita than the US.

And eventually they'll fail. Socialism always does.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

For sure. Do you ever have to fight with Medicare over a denied claim?

Yes!

 

[Turdferguson]

Yes!

That's only you, because you are an

 

[newfie]

Not true. Some have higher unemployment, some have lower unemployment, some have about the same. If universal healthcare was a driver for unemployment then all those countries really would have higher unemployment, but that's clearly not the case.

Germany is the only country I've seen that is as good or even slightly lower. Many of the other countries are not only higher but significantly higher. many of those countries also do not allow you to retire early . they force you to keep funding these programs until you are 67 before you can retire. So throw out that 25 and out you guys earned here. you have to keep working.

 

[Jkloc420]

You're just waving your hands around and jabbering now, none of that has anything to do with universal healthcare. All those countries with universal healthcare have significantly lower healthcare costs per capita than the US.

Population are lower, demographics are different, they dont have a military budget, germany cant even pay their 2 percent to nato, medicine is basically subsidized by us paying for research and development.

 

[Jones]

Population are lower, demographics are different, they dont have a military budget, germany cant even pay their 2 percent to nato, medicine is basically subsidized by us paying for research and development.

That's just a word salad, none of that has anything to do with healthcare costs.