FedEx Ground Moving Via Express?

Ricochet1a

Well-Known Member
I think what Mr Kool-Aid was asking for was some sort of data element from the FDR.

Now... there is a way to get this out for everyone who has access to that portion of FAMIS that deals with Flight Dispatch Reports. Get the flight number and Zulu date up and people can get into FAMIS and look at the report themselves. Would also need origin and destination of the flight to make it easy to pull up.

However, this could be dangerous for the ramp agents at the receiving ramp, since it would show at least one of them spoke with Mr. FedEx to release this information.

I know the ramp agents at MEMH are good about filling in the comments section next to each position of the FDR with the composition of the cans on each flight. It makes unloading the aircraft MUCH easier knowing what is USPS, what is mini-sort and what is HWT before the aircraft lands. They're even pretty good at listing which cans have mixed contents (mini sort and USPS for example).

Another approach would be just to list the CONS number of the can in question (containing Ground freight). Anyone with access to CONS Snoop can generate an Excel file listing every piece that is contained under that CONS. That would be proof enough. Anyone who has ever run CONS Snoop can easily tell Express apart from USPS from another bar code configuration (like Ground). With this data, the origin and destination of the Ground pieces could also be easily determined (not going to tell you how, but if you have a working mind it wouldn't be difficult to figure out how).
 

FedEX 4 Life

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An FDR is a manifest showing exactly what is onboard the aircraft and it's destination. Sorry, but that IS concrete proof. Like I said, if you actually worked for FedEx you'd have a clue. Ground is moving via Express...that's it. Tell your manager that the cat is out of the bag.
I dont know what FDR is.And im still asking for proof.You never even stated you read this FDR nor have any proof or data of it.Why would I lie about working for Fedex?
 

FedEX 4 Life

Well-Known Member
Anyone can just make a post that they saw some manifest.I dont believe as it makes no sense.Another troll post for MRFEDEX.Ground is very cheap.Why would Fedex fly it?That cost more money.The whole idea is stupid and better yet,WHO CARES?Even if there was Ground packages on a plane,WHY THE **** MAKE A POST ABOUT IT?
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
Anyone can just make a post that they saw some manifest.I dont believe as it makes no sense.Another troll post for MRFEDEX.Ground is very cheap.Why would Fedex fly it?That cost more money.The whole idea is stupid and better yet,WHO CARES?Even if there was Ground packages on a plane,WHY THE **** MAKE A POST ABOUT IT?


Actually, it does make sense to put as much cargo as you can on each plane that you fly--that is called being cost effective as the increased operating costs of flying the ground is neglible. I don't doubt for a second that ground is being flown along side air. This is a sound business decision but is contrary to the principle of separate operating companies.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Actually, it does make sense to put as much cargo as you can on each plane that you fly--that is called being cost effective as the increased operating costs of flying the ground is neglible. I don't doubt for a second that ground is being flown along side air. This is a sound business decision but is contrary to the principle of separate operating companies.

It make make sense, but it reveals that FedEx has been lying about the two operations (Ground and Express) being separate. Since this is one of the key arguments in Brownbailout.com, it's essential that the truth be revealed. FedEx does operate in the same manner as UPS, and is not inherently different. We have known that Express was moving via Ground in trucks for a long time...the aircraft movement is new.

For my challenged Kool-Aid boy, an FDR indicating Ground containers aboard a FedEx aircraft is absolute proof that Ground packages are moving via the Express system. I saw the manifest, which clearly indicated Ground LD3's in the bellies of the plane. If I reveal the destination(s), the ramp agents who provided me a copy could get in big trouble. I'll say it real slow so you can understand, OK? The FDR lists every container loaded onto the aircraft, it's type, it's location (upper deck or lowers),it's service level, and it's weight. It also indicates whether or not the container is Express or Ground. If you want to keep thinking the Earth is flat and that gravity is one of Satan's tricks, please continue to be a stump. You and FEATW can debate whether or not dinosaurs once roamed the world.
 

DOWNTRODDEN IN TEXAS

Well-Known Member
Anyone can just make a post that they saw some manifest.I dont believe as it makes no sense.Another troll post for MRFEDEX.Ground is very cheap.Why would Fedex fly it?That cost more money.The whole idea is stupid and better yet,WHO CARES?Even if there was Ground packages on a plane,WHY THE **** MAKE A POST ABOUT IT?

"DENSE MAKES SENSE" nuff said
 

barnyard

KTM rider
This kind of transition would be a positive for UPS. DHL proved that P/T couriers are not capable of providing consistent service. If FedEx is indeed moving in this direction, UPS should be able to capitalize and gain accounts by providing a better service.

Go Fred go.

TB
 

partykid

Well-Known Member
It make make sense, but it reveals that FedEx has been lying about the two operations (Ground and Express) being separate. Since this is one of the key arguments in Brownbailout.com, it's essential that the truth be revealed. FedEx does operate in the same manner as UPS, and is not inherently different. We have known that Express was moving via Ground in trucks for a long time...the aircraft movement is new.

For my challenged Kool-Aid boy, an FDR indicating Ground containers aboard a FedEx aircraft is absolute proof that Ground packages are moving via the Express system. I saw the manifest, which clearly indicated Ground LD3's in the bellies of the plane. If I reveal the destination(s), the ramp agents who provided me a copy could get in big trouble. I'll say it real slow so you can understand, OK? The FDR lists every container loaded onto the aircraft, it's type, it's location (upper deck or lowers),it's service level, and it's weight. It also indicates whether or not the container is Express or Ground. If you want to keep thinking the Earth is flat and that gravity is one of Satan's tricks, please continue to be a stump. You and FEATW can debate whether or not dinosaurs once roamed the world.
Dude.. as Upstate says never call him..LOL.... KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!! Very Informal
 

Ricochet1a

Well-Known Member
This kind of transition would be a positive for UPS. DHL proved that P/T couriers are not capable of providing consistent service. If FedEx is indeed moving in this direction, UPS should be able to capitalize and gain accounts by providing a better service.

Go Fred go.

TB

Uh, excuse me… The only thing DHL proved was that part time drivers that habitually used hallucinogenic substances couldn’t provide good customer service; they constantly had to ask for directions to their next stop and to the nearest convenience store to get a restock of munchies.

I think what you may have intended to say it that part-time employees have a higher turn-over rate and consequently aren’t as knowledgeable as to their customers’ requirements and practices.
 

barnyard

KTM rider
Uh, excuse me… The only thing DHL proved was that part time drivers that habitually used hallucinogenic substances couldn’t provide good customer service; they constantly had to ask for directions to their next stop and to the nearest convenience store to get a restock of munchies.

I think what you may have intended to say it that part-time employees have a higher turn-over rate and consequently aren’t as knowledgeable as to their customers’ requirements and practices.

Sounds like a positive for UPS.

TB
 
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upssalesguy

UPS Defender
FYI - i just won a nice account from FedEx because they have pickups at 100 locationss around the country and the dual pickups - air and ground- is what won them back. This account is 95% ground, but when they have air, it is crucial and calling for the extra pickups was killing them (and making fedex look bad)

The VP and Sales person for FedEx said in less than two years the pickups would be together.

you tell me what that means.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
FYI - i just won a nice account from FedEx because they have pickups at 100 locationss around the country and the dual pickups - air and ground- is what won them back. This account is 95% ground, but when they have air, it is crucial and calling for the extra pickups was killing them (and making fedex look bad)

The VP and Sales person for FedEx said in less than two years the pickups would be together.

you tell me what that means.


I wish I knew. Until the Ground contractor issue is settled in the courts, FedEx can't combine services. If they become "employees" at some point in the near future, everything could change.

The VP probably doesn't know either and is just saying what he needs to to eventually win the customer back. FedEx knows the current model is stupid and inefficient, but that's how Fred set it up when he bought out RPS. Smart guy, that Fred.

We actually discussed this recently at a meeting. Express people hate the way Ground slobs make us look bad with their crap service and "interesting" drivers. FedEx made it worse by making the uniforms almost indistinguishable to the customer, who is expected to figure out which FedEx he/she is dealing with when they see their driver. Is it Freight, LTL, Express or Ground? Oh, eff it all, I'll just call UPS, is the attitude some customers eventually adopt....can you blame them?
 

Ricochet1a

Well-Known Member
FYI - i just won a nice account from FedEx because they have pickups at 100 locationss around the country and the dual pickups - air and ground- is what won them back. This account is 95% ground, but when they have air, it is crucial and calling for the extra pickups was killing them (and making fedex look bad)

The VP and Sales person for FedEx said in less than two years the pickups would be together.

you tell me what that means.

This is a major problem for FedEx. The Customers still can't understand why "FedEx isn't FedEx" (Ground isn't Express). This is the side effect of Fred's little game. I make it VERY clear to my customers that I won't touch a Ground package, they are a different operating company, and there is no way to account for my touching a Ground package. The customers still don't understand, since they can take a Ground package into the "Express" centers (Worldwide Service Center, or Express station in reality) and the CSA's will accept it. I know that FedEx is losing business as a result of this (and I'm not going to try to stop it). The employees are getting violated by FedEx, so I'm not going to run cover for Fred and neither are my coworkers. We constantly get pick up requests from customers, only to arrive and find Ground packages waiting. We don't touch them. We used to, but no longer. Part of the problem is that customers want that same day on call service that is available with Express, then they place 30 Ground packages out for pickup. We don't have the time to touch them and we don't have the ability to account for our time if we were so inclined. We leave packages and customers are getting ticked off. Blame it on Fred.

As to that statement by a VP, I think that was more hot air than anything else. The plan is to maintain strictly Express pickups for Express volume, since only Express trucks will be returning to the stations for off load and placement of volume into aircraft cargo containers. The flip side will involve non-overnight volume to be transferred to Ground for delivery. Express will pickup ALL "Express" volume, but the delivery of the volume will be split (Express will do overnight and Ground will deliver all non-overnight Express volume).

There is also FAA restrictions on pickup of packages. All Express employees have a background check. This enables them to enter the "secured" facility where cargo containers are being loaded for placement on flights. Even having a Ground helper enter an Express facility without an escort is a violation of FAA guidelines (happens all the time though). FedEx cannot have Ground helpers pickup Express volume and transport it into a "secured" facility. All sorts of FAA regulations would be violated (lots of violating going on at Express now days).

However, there is no such restriction once packages leave the FAA secured facilities for delivery. This is why non-overnight volume can be turned over to Ground and the FAA wouldn't get involved. As long as the truck driver that picks up the loaded cargo cans at the ramps is "checked or escorted", the volume can be transferred to a third party contractor for delivery (Ground), and the FAA couldn't care less. As far as the FAA would be concerned, it would be the use of a cartage agent.
 

upssalesguy

UPS Defender
my customer is a former UPS operations manager who took a buyout in 2001 and he told me today they keep making these claims. He was adament that fedex would have one pickup soon, because that is what he keeps being told. I asked him if I had anything to worry about (considering he had switched the them based on price a year back) and he said not a chance.

as long as fedex keeps treating ground as seperate, they are going to keep loosing customers with complicated supply chains. Fedex keeps buying accounts in hopes services improves. all it does is dillute their revenue per piece and ultimatly, improves UPS' value proposition. I hope they never combine. As long as it is independant contractors, UPS is well positioned for the accounts we want.
 

Ricochet1a

Well-Known Member
FedEx isn’t worried about customers getting Express and Ground mixed up…. too much. FedEx is marketing Ground based on absolute lowest price to move volume from place to place. This is part of the schizophrenic approach FedEx is taking with customers. On the one hand FedEx markets Express as a high service level operation, with individualized attention. On the other, FedEx markets Ground as an absolute low price alternative to move volume, with no real service provided. Even the USPS provides better service than Ground. This is what confuses customers. They see “FedEx” and think “service”. They get that with Express, they don’t with Ground and Express Couriers won’t give them the service for Ground pieces.

I think you’re right that this approach in the long run will hurt the FedEx brand. FedEx developed some good amount of esteem with the FedEx (Express) brand up to about 5 years ago. With the decision to apply that brand to everything Fred S wants to do, the brand is losing its luster and customers are getting ticked off – FedEx isn’t necessarily FedEx anymore.

FedEx (Corporation) would’ve been better off keeping the RPS “brand”, and merely adding on to that something along the line of “A subsidiary of FedEx Corporation” in small print. People would’ve known that RPS was owned by “FedEx”, but it WASN’T really “FedEx”. I know that once I educate my customers, they tend to choose UPS for their non-time critical shipments. They want to save on shipping on non critical shipment, but they also want some level of service. As long as the IC model is in place for Ground (I don’t EVER see that changing), potential business will be lost to UPS.
 

FedEx All the Way!

Well-Known Member
It make make sense, but it reveals that FedEx has been lying about the two operations (Ground and Express) being separate. Since this is one of the key arguments in Brownbailout.com, it's essential that the truth be revealed. FedEx does operate in the same manner as UPS, and is not inherently different. We have known that Express was moving via Ground in trucks for a long time...the aircraft movement is new.

For my challenged Kool-Aid boy, an FDR indicating Ground containers aboard a FedEx aircraft is absolute proof that Ground packages are moving via the Express system. I saw the manifest, which clearly indicated Ground LD3's in the bellies of the plane. If I reveal the destination(s), the ramp agents who provided me a copy could get in big trouble. I'll say it real slow so you can understand, OK? The FDR lists every container loaded onto the aircraft, it's type, it's location (upper deck or lowers),it's service level, and it's weight. It also indicates whether or not the container is Express or Ground. If you want to keep thinking the Earth is flat and that gravity is one of Satan's tricks, please continue to be a stump. You and FEATW can debate whether or not dinosaurs once roamed the world.

Like I said in my previous post "OH MY GOD!" Why do you interact with (as you so call everyone) KOOL-AID" drunks - you seem to know everything from paperwork to who drinks Kool-Aid - you're limiting yourself by working for Fred - what you really should be doing in life is being "Obama's right hand!" The economy sure needs you!
So, please, put the cat back into the bag -
You mean dinosaurs didn't roam the world????? :surprised: - LOL, LOL, LOL.
 

FedEx All the Way!

Well-Known Member
I wish I knew. Until the Ground contractor issue is settled in the courts, FedEx can't combine services. If they become "employees" at some point in the near future, everything could change.

The VP probably doesn't know either and is just saying what he needs to to eventually win the customer back. FedEx knows the current model is stupid and inefficient, but that's how Fred set it up when he bought out RPS. Smart guy, that Fred.

We actually discussed this recently at a meeting. Express people hate the way Ground slobs make us look bad with their crap service and "interesting" drivers. FedEx made it worse by making the uniforms almost indistinguishable to the customer, who is expected to figure out which FedEx he/she is dealing with when they see their driver. Is it Freight, LTL, Express or Ground? Oh, eff it all, I'll just call UPS, is the attitude some customers eventually adopt....can you blame them?

You should have the same attitude - only give UPS your resume!!!!!:knockedout:
 

FedEx All the Way!

Well-Known Member
It was brought to my attention today that FedEx Express aircraft are now flying Ground packages. We aren't supposed to know this, but it's happening. Perhaps we should all mention this at our next station meeting and watch the manager's jaw hit the floor.

This may be a prelude to XS and E2 going over to Ground, or it might just be a utilization of excess lift capacity. Either way, aren't these operations claimed to be separate according to Mr Smith? That kind of makes a lot of the claims on Brownbailout.com bogus, doesn't it? More lies and cover-ups from the master of both.


WOW! Did Fred close-up FedEx the day he sat next to you and got your attention!!!! I and so many others are so impressed -- GREAT JOB! WELL DONE! SUPER! :happy2:
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
WOW! Did Fred close-up FedEx the day he sat next to you and got your attention!!!! I and so many others are so impressed -- GREAT JOB! WELL DONE! SUPER! :happy2:

I see you got your brother "Chad" on here helping you out. 0+0 still equals 0, so you two have a lot in common in the IQ department. As usual, your post makes no sense at all.
 

starglacier

Well-Known Member
MrFedex is right fedex has been doing it for years. I order flowers on friday morning
figuring I will meet my coworker for pkg. LO_Behold who knocks on the door Fedex home delivery. What a Valentime day surprise to me.
 
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