Fighting the High Cost of Retirement

vantexan

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@vantexan
You've been going on & on about living in a Prius. That means tent, sleeping in a car, washing at truck stops, hiding from the weather in libraries, and an occasional filthy motel.

You will get hassled.

As far as the RVing thing goes, the costs are probably 10x what they used to be. Tons of people going broke, trying to live that life. Now days, you will be begging for admission to someplace decent and safe to camp, while the campground owner/manager let's another guy in with a $2mil rig.

That's the real reason people are squatting in their junky, eyesore RVs at crap grounds, (instead of campgrounds.)
Plan to buy a Toyota Corolla hybrid. That means a car that has climate control that runs off its hybrid battery. Which means the car gas engine starts up and runs for a bit every so often to top off the battery. Less than half a gallon in 8 hrs. So it can be 100° out and still be comfortable. Except I'll be in high country in the summer where it will be cooler. And dry air.

Will be camping fulltime in New Mexico state parks. They have showers and are kept up. With the $225 annual pass can camp for free in many of those parks if I don't need electricity. Can charge battery pack with the hybrid and use that to run lights and fan in my camper. If too hot will get an electric site to run air conditioner in my camper.

Ever hear of Runaway Campers? Very light, empty box. Smallest one 4'X8' and weighs less than 600 lbs. Corolla has a 1500 lb tow rating. Camper has a 5000 btu ac and electrical outlet. Can boondock with it on BLM land with a portable generator if need to.

There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I didn't invent all this. It's a well trodden path. What happens if I absolutely can't find a space at a state park? I do no hookup camping there. "Primitive" camping. Still have access to showers and toilets and potable water and trash dumping.

I know a town that has a number of RV parks. You don't have to move about in a RV. You can just park it and pay a monthly rate. Best park in this town charges $375 a month plus electric. Excellent wifi, 70 channel cable, water and trash included. Very nice laundry room. Social activities if you want. Less than a mile to Walmart. If I go that route, which I might when I get older, I'll buy a nice size travel trailer. Among other parks in that town is a more basic one that still includes cable, water, and trash and charges $225 A month plus electric. In Las Cruces it's more expensive but can still find very nice park for $450 a month plus electric and has all the amenities. Can do without a car there and use the bus system. $30 a month unlimited riding.

What you don't know is I went many years without a car. Walked, biked, rode a scooter for years. I lived in 7 different RV parks over a 12 year span in a 26' travel trailer. Paid people to move it for me. None of what you're saying is so. You're making assumptions. And you're wrong. Is it perfect? No, there are drawbacks just as there are for anything. But geez man, men used to ride all over the West carrying only what their horse could handle. People rode in covered wagons for months to get to Oregon. What I'm going to do is no big deal in comparison. Not even close.
 

Commercial Inside Release

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People working double overtime to live like a hobo, and fill their meaningless lives with busy work, like breaking camp, fighting the weather, and spending 2 hours trying to find a shower.

But, hey... Way to stick it to the man.
 

Jiangshi

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Plan to buy a Toyota Corolla hybrid. That means a car that has climate control that runs off its hybrid battery. Which means the car gas engine starts up and runs for a bit every so often to top off the battery. Less than half a gallon in 8 hrs. So it can be 100° out and still be comfortable. Except I'll be in high country in the summer where it will be cooler. And dry air.

Will be camping fulltime in New Mexico state parks. They have showers and are kept up. With the $225 annual pass can camp for free in many of those parks if I don't need electricity. Can charge battery pack with the hybrid and use that to run lights and fan in my camper. If too hot will get an electric site to run air conditioner in my camper.

Ever hear of Runaway Campers? Very light, empty box. Smallest one 4'X8' and weighs less than 600 lbs. Corolla has a 1500 lb tow rating. Camper has a 5000 btu ac and electrical outlet. Can boondock with it on BLM land with a portable generator if need to.

There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I didn't invent all this. It's a well trodden path. What happens if I absolutely can't find a space at a state park? I do no hookup camping there. "Primitive" camping. Still have access to showers and toilets and potable water and trash dumping.

I know a town that has a number of RV parks. You don't have to move about in a RV. You can just park it and pay a monthly rate. Best park in this town charges $375 a month plus electric. Excellent wifi, 70 channel cable, water and trash included. Very nice laundry room. Social activities if you want. Less than a mile to Walmart. If I go that route, which I might when I get older, I'll buy a nice size travel trailer. Among other parks in that town is a more basic one that still includes cable, water, and trash and charges $225 A month plus electric. In Las Cruces it's more expensive but can still find very nice park for $450 a month plus electric and has all the amenities. Can do without a car there and use the bus system. $30 a month unlimited riding.

What you don't know is I went many years without a car. Walked, biked, rode a scooter for years. I lived in 7 different RV parks over a 12 year span in a 26' travel trailer. Paid people to move it for me. None of what you're saying is so. You're making assumptions. And you're wrong. Is it perfect? No, there are drawbacks just as there are for anything. But geez man, men used to ride all over the West carrying only what their horse could handle. People rode in covered wagons for months to get to Oregon. What I'm going to do is no big deal in comparison. Not even close.
Sounds a bit like Nomadland, one of the most depressing movies I've ever seen.
 

vantexan

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Sounds a bit like Nomadland, one of the most depressing movies I've ever seen.
If you recall there was an older man in it at one point, had a Santa Claus beard, talked about losing his son. That's Bob Wells, the single biggest influencer on the Nomad community. Has a huge following on his YouTube channel called Cheap RV Living. I'm more of an outlier in what I'm doing but picked up some great info there.
 

anonymous23456

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Well, I suggest we all toughen up! We are not worthy comparing to this guy.


To live in a pristine land unchanged by man...
to roam a wilderness through which few other humans have passed...
to choose an idyllic site, cut trees and build a log cabin...
to be a self-sufficient craftsman, making what is needed from materials available...
to be not at odds with the world, but content with one's own thoughts and company...Thousands have had such dreams, but Dick Proenneke lived them. He found a place, built a cabin, and stayed to become part of the country. This video "Alone in the Wilderness" is a simple account of the day-to-day explorations and activities he carried out alone, and the constant chain of nature's events that kept him company.


 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Well, I suggest we all toughen up! We are not worthy comparing to this guy.


To live in a pristine land unchanged by man...
to roam a wilderness through which few other humans have passed...
to choose an idyllic site, cut trees and build a log cabin...
to be a self-sufficient craftsman, making what is needed from materials available...
to be not at odds with the world, but content with one's own thoughts and company...Thousands have had such dreams, but Dick Proenneke lived them. He found a place, built a cabin, and stayed to become part of the country. This video "Alone in the Wilderness" is a simple account of the day-to-day explorations and activities he carried out alone, and the constant chain of nature's events that kept him company.
- Sam Keith​
Good for him……no thanks
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
People working double overtime to live like a hobo, and fill their meaningless lives with busy work, like breaking camp, fighting the weather, and spending 2 hours trying to find a shower.

But, hey... Way to stick it to the man.
Yah, because mowing the lawn, trimming the hedges, shoveling snow, and hours in front of a tv has so much more meaning.

Let's see, I hitch the trailer, crank up the jacks, drive 20 miles to next park, crank down the jacks, unhitch the trailer and sit for two weeks. The horror.

Well look over there....the cleaning lady just finished cleaning the restrooms. Think I'll mosey over and get a shower in one of the private stalls. When I get back will stream HBO on my smart tv in my trailer. Need to go to Walmart after that to pick up a steak. Will pan sear it on my portable gas stove. After eating will listen to FOX News simulcast on Sirius satellite radio. Love that Visible lets me have unlimited hotspot usage on my phone for $30 a month. Lets me watch YouTube and argue with angry men on Brown Cafe. Ah, the hobo life!
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Yah, because mowing the lawn, trimming the hedges, shoveling snow, and hours in front of a tv has so much more meaning.

Let's see, I hitch the trailer, crank up the jacks, drive 20 miles to next park, crank down the jacks, unhitch the trailer and sit for two weeks. The horror.

Well look over there....the cleaning lady just finished cleaning the restrooms. Think I'll mosey over and get a shower in one of the private stalls. When I get back will stream HBO on my smart tv in my trailer. Need to go to Walmart after that to pick up a steak. Will pan sear it on my portable gas stove. After eating will listen to FOX News simulcast on Sirius satellite radio. Love that Visible lets me have unlimited hotspot usage on my phone for $30 a month. Lets me watch YouTube and argue with angry men on Brown Cafe. Ah, the hobo life!
It’s not for everyone, you know that. You do what you have to do. Stay safe my wandering hobo friend. Lol
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
It’s not for everyone, you know that. You do what you have to do. Stay safe my wandering hobo friend. Lol
Definitely not for everyone. But there are a lot of people who are living out in the desert in RV's, vans, minivans, cars, tents whose circumstances put them there for many reasons. As illustrated here the knee jerk reaction of some is to characterize these people as bums. Drug addicts. Lazy and shiftless. A lot of people worked hard for decades paying high rent with poorly paid jobs and have little to show for it other than limited Social Security. If turning a minivan into a little home on wheels gives them some sense of economic freedom and independence then more power to them. I really have a problem with those whose circumstances are better sneering at those less fortunate. Says a lot more about their lack of character than those who find a way to take lemons and make lemonade.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Definitely not for everyone. But there are a lot of people who are living out in the desert in RV's, vans, minivans, cars, tents whose circumstances put them there for many reasons. As illustrated here the knee jerk reaction of some is to characterize these people as bums. Drug addicts. Lazy and shiftless. A lot of people worked hard for decades paying high rent with poorly paid jobs and have little to show for it other than limited Social Security. If turning a minivan into a little home on wheels gives them some sense of economic freedom and independence then more power to them. I really have a problem with those whose circumstances are better sneering at those less fortunate. Says a lot more about their lack of character than those who find a way to take lemons and make lemonade.
I’m not sneering, I’m lucky. There but for the grace of God go I.
 
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