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I bumped Mrs. anonymous on Monday night and she didn't complain.
I bumped Mrs. anonymous on Monday night and she didn't complain.
Just because Mrs Hoak hasent felt in for years(lack of size, can't get it up, ect, ect.....She must not have felt it?![]()
I bumped Mrs. anonymous on Monday night and she didn't complain.
She must not have felt it?![]()
Just because Mrs Hoak hasent felt in for years(lack of size, can't get it up, ect, ect.....
...or perhaps he has the maturity not to discuss his sex life or disparage his wife on an Internet forum...
I understand the whole seniority thing, but there has to be a limit. I'm not saying a person lose their seniority but after a period of being out of service through injury or whatnot they shouldn't be able to keep others from moving up.
In this case someone out 3 years, yeah they don't lose their spot but when they come back they don't have a bid route but next time bids come up they have first choice based on seniority. Seriously how would you feel waiting your turn and someone who was injured, I don't fault them, suddenly comes back and completely kicks you out of a bid just because they are now released say 5 weeks after you started your bid route?
I'm not saying the person injured should be without work once released, but at what point are the other "teamster brothers and sisters" being penalized for this?
I understand the whole seniority thing, but there has to be a limit. I'm not saying a person lose their seniority but after a period of being out of service through injury or whatnot they shouldn't be able to keep others from moving up.
In this case someone out 3 years, yeah they don't lose their spot but when they come back they don't have a bid route but next time bids come up they have first choice based on seniority. Seriously how would you feel waiting your turn and someone who was injured, I don't fault them, suddenly comes back and completely kicks you out of a bid just because they are now released say 5 weeks after you started your bid route?
I'm not saying the person injured should be without work once released, but at what point are the other "teamster brothers and sisters" being penalized for this?
So, we should go case by case? I had anterior discetomy with plating and fusing. I went back to work for a year. I went back out for carpal tunnel release on both wrists. Both of those were moot as the symptoms stem from my spinal cord. While out, it is discovered that the fuse in my neck wasn't fused. I have my own ideas as to the cause. Point being, I had to get a second opinion. Wait for surgery approval, which I had to go to court for. In the meantime, the weeks are flying by. I am out of work on comp pay, which in no where near what I make at UPS. Financial stress is so fun. Finally, I get approval for a surgery most wouldn't have. It takes a year and a half to heal. Coupled with therapy, it takes years to get back to work.I agree. In my case, the guy has been out a total of 4 years in the past 7.(With all different injuries I might add)
I understand the whole seniority thing, but there has to be a limit. I'm not saying a person lose their seniority but after a period of being out of service through injury or whatnot they shouldn't be able to keep others from moving up.
In this case someone out 3 years, yeah they don't lose their spot but when they come back they don't have a bid route but next time bids come up they have first choice based on seniority. Seriously how would you feel waiting your turn and someone who was injured, I don't fault them, suddenly comes back and completely kicks you out of a bid just because they are now released say 5 weeks after you started your bid route?
I'm not saying the person injured should be without work once released, but at what point are the other "teamster brothers and sisters" being penalized for this?
I will use a sports analogy--"You should not lose your starting job due to an injury". Injured seniority employees are contractually entitled to bid with their route covered by casual/cover drivers until they return, whether it be 6 months or 10 years.
So, we should go case by case? I had anterior discetomy with plating and fusing. I went back to work for a year. I went back out for carpal tunnel release on both wrists. Both of those were moot as the symptoms stem from my spinal cord. While out, it is discovered that the fuse in my neck wasn't fused. I have my own ideas as to the cause. Point being, I had to get a second opinion. Wait for surgery approval, which I had to go to court for. In the meantime, the weeks are flying by. I am out of work on comp pay, which in no where near what I make at UPS. Financial stress is so fun. Finally, I get approval for a surgery most wouldn't have. It takes a year and a half to heal. Coupled with therapy, it takes years to get back to work.
Should I be punished for this? Guess what, I am at the point of not caring what others think. It's my bid. Period. If it takes 10 years, to get back, guess what? It's still my bid.
Nimmin, would you consider the balance of the current bid cycle and a subsequent full bid cycle ample time before the injured employee loses his right to bid? We bid every 3 years here with our next bid cycle starting 2/13. If I were to become injured tomorrow that means my right to bid would be preserved through 2/16. Would this seem fair to you?
We have 2 year bids here. I have done more than most would do to get back to that job that was secured to me through seniority. It's mine. It's funny how no one with more seniority than me seems to care.Not trying to be argumentative, but I'm thinking more here about how Upstate said there's a 3 year bid cycle where he's at. I know it's rare in most areas now to have a wait time to go FT less than 5 years, 3 years is really rare. So poking at it some, if a FTer is out for 3 years that is potentially half the wait time for a PTer to move up. yeah it benefits the company to spend 3 years using cover drivers to fill that route since they don't make FT PC wages, at least in my area. 3 Years though, why not open another FT position, the odds are good in a larger facility someone will leave in that time so it's pretty easy to cover that.
I've mulled this a bit, and as said before I don't think there's an easy answer. I'm going to try and make the clearest statement I can upon this subject given some of the people who read this and I'm still trying to think of situations and details to cover everything.
If a person is unable to work through an entire bid period they should be unable to bid. No seniority lost, just unable to bid that time around. Bid periods do seem to vary by region and perhaps longer ones may need more attention.